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Validity of Eoduslia

I was just searching about this taxa in Cheloniellida, but I found this may be nomina nuda. Article Cheloniellida shows "Vidal, 1998" as authority, but I can't find any publication about this taxa published in that year. According to Biolib.cz,[1] this taxon is considered as nomina nuda as named in unpublished thesis Van Roy (2006). I am not sure which is true since I only can find a few papers that have name of this taxon. Ta-tea-two-te-to (talk) 15:22, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Hm, looking into this for myself, I see that IRMNG's record for Eoduslia sources Wikipedia (!!!), GBIF's record sources The Paleobiology Database. However, PBDB doesn't have a record for Eoduslia at all, though according to Google results for "Eoduslia" Fossilworks may have had a record (but FossilWorks appears to be down as of writing...).

@Super Dromaeosaurus: Hi, seeing as according to this revision you added "Vidal, 1998" as the authority for Eoduslia on the Cheloniellida article back in 2019, do you remember where you got this information from by any chance? Monster Iestyn (talk) 17:23, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

No honestly. I tried to find hints by looking which pages was I editing back then but it was not of use. Super Ψ Dro 17:28, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

@Super Dromaeosaurus @Ta-tea-two-te-to: Hang on, I THINK I just found a trace of Paleobiology Database's record of Eoduslia complete with "Vidal, 1998" here: https://paleobiodb.org/classic/basicTaxonInfo?taxon_no=348152 Maybe you (Super Dromaeosaurus) got "Vidal, 1998" from the Fossilworks version of this page back in the day then? (Note: I was only able to find this because Google is currently indexing the Fossilworks record for "Eoduslia" online, even though Fossilworks is down, and from Fossilwork's URL I went to the corresponding page on PBDB with the same taxon ID; PBDB's search does not want to acknowledge this page's existence for some reason, somehow)

The article cited by PBDB happens to be here: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1251805098800517 But I cannot see "Eoduslia" anywhere in the full text (unless I overlooked something), so I'm inclined to believe that PBDB/Fossilworks is in error and that Eoduslia was indeed first named by Van Ray's 2006 PhD thesis. Monster Iestyn (talk) 18:19, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Yeah that might have been how I got it, but I don't remember. Super Ψ Dro 18:30, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

@Super Dromaeosaurus Not to worry if you can't remember, thanks for responding anyway. Hopefully the mystery can be considered solved now anyway. Monster Iestyn (talk) 18:38, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Saccorhytida un-redirect?

Since Beretella has been described (in a preprint, but still) and Saccorhytida is thus no longer monotypic, which is the whole reason why it currently redirects to Saccorhytus, Saccorhytida should probably get its own page, even if it’s just a stub. IC1101-Capinatator (talk) 10:37, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

I might work on a page for this new genus, if the draft gets accepted, I will change the redirect into a stub Abdullah raji (talk) 13:25, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Update: Beretella has been accepted and i will now change the redirect Abdullah raji (talk) 13:51, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Pseudastacus FAC

The page Pseudastacus is currently up for FAC and I just got recommended by someone to tell others so that it doesn't fail from lack of response so here's this post. Olmagon (talk) 16:55, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

I'll drop some comments if it hasn't reached three reviewers yet. The Morrison Man (talk) 09:42, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

WP:PALEO and WP:DINO collaborations

From the looks of it, the pages for the collaboration articles for both our project and WP:DINO are very, very outdated and haven't been touched in years. Maybe it would be good to clean these up? The Morrison Man (talk) 09:40, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Probably, but maybe we should also figure out how many editors are even interested in collaborations? Seems people aren't really joining when it's proposed. FunkMonk (talk) 10:16, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Thats also true. Maybe starting with a fresh round of proposals (and a new collaboration) could help with that? Seems like the previous proposals are all 2-3 years old at the least. The Morrison Man (talk) 11:29, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Two move requests

I have requested that "Sauropsid" and "Synapsid" be moved to "Sauropsida" (from which it has recently been moved without discussion) and "Synapsida". please see Talk:Synapsid#Requested_move_26_March_2024 and Talk:Sauropsid#Requested_move_26_March_2024. Please participate if interested, thanks. Hemiauchenia (talk) 23:46, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Fossilworks and Paleobiology Database (PBDB), revisited

Following up from the discussion I started last year, Fossilworks now is consistently timing out for me since about two or three weeks ago, making all Fossilworks taxon ID links in the taxonbar useless as of writing. Therefore it seems about time to me for Fossilwork links to be swapped to links to paleobiodb.org, so I have started a discussion over at Wikiproject Taxonomy on Wikidata to suggest this be done there. Monster Iestyn (talk) 12:47, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Since there is no sign of activity at Wikidata, I've modified {{taxonbar}} to get the identifier from Fossilworks taxon ID (P842) and link to PBDB. If wikidata has both Fossilworks taxon ID (P842) and Paleobiology Database ID (P10907) and they are identical the duplicate is deleted. If they are different (as in lion, which gets 46521 from Paleobiology Database ID (P10907) and 49734 from Fossilworks taxon ID (P842)) there will be two links to PBDB. If there are questions on this, please add to the discussion at the {{Taxonbar}} talk page. —  Jts1882 | talk  14:27, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Cultural depictions of dinosaurs

Cultural depictions of dinosaurs has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. PrimalMustelid (talk) 12:13, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Discussion on use of palaeoart in FACs

FAC discussion relevant to editors here[2], and perhaps the MOS for images should have a note on how to deal with palaeoart once consensus emerges. FunkMonk (talk) 13:45, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Merge proposal for Caenagnathoidea into Oviraptorosauria

I've added a merge proposal to Talk:Caenagnathoidea to merge it with Oviraptorosauria for the following reasons:

1. The vast majority of constituent taxa are shared by both clades.
2. The taxa excluded from the smaller clade are ambiguous due to conflicting taxonomies.
3. Any new information added to caenagnathoidea would need to also be added to oviraptorosauria for that reason.
4. Portions of text from both pages are copy/pasted onto one another.
5. Similar merges occurred recently for Tyrannoraptora and Maniraptoromorpha for reasons that apply equally to this merge.

Thank you for your time. --A Cynical Idealist (talk) 19:32, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Mass merge discussion notice

A collective merge discussion on a number of potentially redundant clade-level articles has been opened at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Dinosaurs#Mass_merge_proposal_for_redundant_clade_pages and may be of interest to this WikiProject. LittleLazyLass (Talk | Contributions) 21:56, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Editor altering fossil age ranges, introducing contradictions and spurious accuracy

User:Mannlegur is changing a large number of fossil age ranges, as at Fish, without checking to see if these contradict cited descriptions in the bodies of the affected articles, as they did in Fish's case. Sometimes they replace names like "Silurian" with numeric ranges, which may convey spurious accuracy: that too can be misleading. I've posted a note on their talk page, but the project may need to check all the edits for appropriateness. Chiswick Chap (talk) 06:41, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

We'll keep an eye on it. Thanks for letting us know! The Morrison Man (talk) 22:01, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Harpetida

https://mapress.com/zt/article/view/zootaxa.5450.1.1 Is a new article on Devonian Harpetida from Morocco.

Now, from the abstract (the only section I have access to) they basically:

• Redefine several genera, but i will focus on Eskoharpes being redefined, with Globoharpes a Jr. synonym.

• And the second thing I will focus on is the erection several genera (or in this case, re-erection) of Fritchaspis out of Lioharpes and Helioharpes out of Harpes.

This could lead to conflict, as in the Order page Helioharpes is listed as a synonym of Harpes, Fritchaspis as a synonym of Lioharpes, and Globoharpes seperate from Eskoharpes.

I don't know what to add, but I will keep this in here for further discussion.

• also I'm adding this to the talk page for Harpetida.

Abdullah raji (talk) 09:55, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

I think the abstract won't be enough context here. Either this paper or prior scholarship would be needed to show whether this is a revision that workers generally agree is necessary. Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 21:14, 2 June 2024 (UTC)