User talk:96.74.105.129

Noriaki Yuasa

Hello Anonymous. Its not a matter of whether the content is published on other wikis or blogs, I do believe what you are stating is truth, however, you require a reliable source as that is the standard of wikipedia. As I believe it to be true as you do, its more of the matter that what you have is considered original research, which we do not publish on wikipedia. So if you can find something that follows the rules of WP:RS, I would share it again on the article.

Also, thanks for pointing out the other television bits not having information. I added them myself before, but it appears the citation has moved. I have re-added sources for it. Andrzejbanas (talk) 19:04, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

It just feels like bullying if you won't include it as a good faith edit when you admit it exists. [1] there's even a video. It's his final work so is that really not important enough to include on the Wikipedia page to you? Is there really no clause on Wikipedia that when there's enough evidence for something it should be mentioned even if there's no "appropriate" evidence for it? It really feels like suppression of information when the evidence of it exists everywhere EXCEPT American Wikipedia. And I'm not some random anonymous troll either, I normally take unsourced things out of wiki articles and challenge people trying to include it for no reason, but in this instance there's just so much evidence that I can't help but feel the need to state why I think it should be included. Like, I even think I see his name is on the back of the DVD, if I could just get a HD version of it! Couldn't you have just put a "citation needed" after it? 96.74.105.129 (talk) 19:52, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

I do feel its important to include, but this is an encyclopedia and you require a source. I believe it exists but you have no sources (neither does the Japanese wikipedia by the way) on whether its his last film or his involvement. Was it theatrical? Who released it, when? Whats the context? I don't mind trying to do some more thorough research to get the information including it, but just leaving it in with "oh i'll get a source later" is not good enough. The Onus is on you to include information you want by finding appropriate sources. I am not trying to bully you, I just want (and I'm sure you want it as well) to follow the standards of Wikipedia. omAndrzejbanas (talk) 20:06, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

http://www.kinenote.com/main/public/cinema/detail.aspx?cinema_id=50300 what about this source then that lists him as a director? Or either of these pages that list the item for sale that also list him as the director https://www.suruga-ya.jp/product/detail/134000064 https://7net.omni7.jp/detail/1400035323 ? It's likely the reason the Japanese Wikipedia article itself doesn't list a source is just because they can just Google the name and see him listed as the director for it on any product page, just like they also don't provide sources for any of the Gamera films he worked on. Although, you have to check the Japanese Gamera page to see that he included Gamera cameos in it (I realize that twitter video isn't a good source, so I didn't include that in my second attempt to edit it). There's lots of links to buying the DVD that show him listed as director, are these not acceptable sources (or the first link?), or do I really just have to find an American book that says it? 96.74.105.129 (talk) 20:24, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

Looking at the websites you mention it sounds like you are going into a googling frenzy to find sources for the article. You tell me if they follow WP:RS, can you find any information on how the websites gather their information? The last one appears to be an online shop which probably isn't notable. I tried to look at Kinenote, but could not find any information on how their information is gathered. It doesn't matter the language, but it would be easier for an English one. Also, these sources just sort of state that title, a production year and not much else. So far the info seems trivial. Was this for tv? Video? theatres? Some context would help people. Andrzejbanas (talk) 22:43, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

Well you say "Googling frenzy" but all I did was google "Cosplay Warrior Cutie Knight" in Japanese and looked at all the stuff on the first page of results and you're missing my point (I guess the point could be made that I just can't stop finding links that prove he worked on it but I guess that doesn't matter either). I'm not trying to make a new article for it I just wanted it credited on the mans page. All the sellers, not just the one you focused on, all the sellers for the DVD list him as the director, are you saying they're wrong? And Kinenotes lists it as a V-Cinema, him as a director, and that it was in production in 1996, giving you the information for what you asked and making it his final work unlike what is currently stated as his final work. This also isn't Simple Wikipedia we don't have to leave out Directors projects just because they weren't in theaters. We should take out the Ultraman 80 and Zaborger information then, that's pretty trivial. Kinenotes is a fine source, unless you can find a problem with it. 96.74.105.129 (talk) 23:15, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

What makes Kinenotes a reliable source? How do they gather their information? Andrzejbanas (talk) 00:13, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

Japanese movie database. Various Japanese official sources. I'm gonna add it now since we both acknowledge the information is real. 96.74.105.129 (talk) 16:02, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

I have expanded on your source, but you should not add content without knowing whether the source is legitimate. You said its from "various japanese sources" where does this info come from? I want to assume good faith, but I feel like you are just trying to squeeze it in without a reliable source. Andrzejbanas (talk) 19:25, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

I have given countless reliable sources. You would have to be accusing every single seller in Japan who is selling this DVD of being wrong in order to say they're unreliable. You would have to be assuming the people editing the Japanese Wikipedia page allow rampant vandalism to go uncorrected for years for it to be unreliable. A Japanese guy posting screenshots of the movie in his blog while mentioning the director is "unreliable" as if he's lying just to trick some American who goes looking for information about this directors final project? And then when I finally find a Japanese movie database that can't be edited by someone anonymous and no longer accepts registration, you say "well what if it's wrong?". It's like you're looking at everything I link you in a vacuum. And I have already given you plenty of good faith in that you're just trying to make sure Wikipedia is only supplied with the correct information but that's the thing, at this point we both know it's the correct information. There's more evidence of this existing then any of those book sources listed in the article for all the other things sourced, and at least you can read these ones. I've seen people use French books that have been out of print for years for "sources" in the past and I feel those are less reliable then anything I have linked you. But I digress, I have reached out to another person as you already saw to see if he can find a source you would be happy with, even if you're allowing the edit to stay I still won't feel right about it unless you're okay with it, and if he can't find a source I'll keep looking. I'm okay with it being there because it's a fact it exists, but I don't want you to end up deleting it one day if Kinenotes suddenly goes down or something like that. I wouldn't be surprised if the books listed mentioned it but I don't wanna spend $40 to buy it off of Amazon. 96.74.105.129 (talk) 20:04, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

You say you have given me countless reliable sources but you can't tell me why they are reliable. You then proceeded to say [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:96.74.105.129&diff=908575830&oldid=908478802&diffmode=source "you'll add it because we both believe its real", which is not enough if the source is not reliable which you have not shown to me yet. I don't believe you aren't trying to send me information in good faith, but you are trying to add very obscure information to an already obscure topic and state that books are less reliable. Again, these are not my choices, these are the rules of wikipedia which you are ignoring. I believe you want to make the wiki better, but not having high quality sources does not improve wikipedia. Andrzejbanas (talk) 00:29, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

Yo dudes I was looking at your argument on Armegons page and it brought me here but Andrzejbanas, you're being ridiculous dude. How is retailer information delivered to sellers by the people that own the rights of the property and product NOT reliable? They legally have to know this kind of data. It is just madness to assume it's not high quality data while books by third parties get a free pass. I don't know nothing about the Kinonotes but those links to multiple sellers up there are getting that information from the rights holders and the company that sells the darn thing. That's as legit as you can get. You're either ignoring logic or you don't know how online retailers work. 2601:649:280:67C:0:0:0:BB25 (talk) 02:15, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

While I appreciate the defense I don't really want this argument lasting any longer then it needs to. I have no idea if seller information counts as a legit source, although I'm not sure why it wouldn't after what you said. I was going to wait until I had enough money to buy the DVD myself to upload the credits somewhere personally. But if seller information is fine it'd save me the money. 96.74.105.129 (talk) 15:33, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

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