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Equine conformation is (one sentence from each sourced paragraph, or whatever MOS wants this week. Do this last)

TOC discussion[edit]

I recommend that we base the article on some objective judging standard, such as those the warmblood folks use in studbook selection, i.e. create sections by group of body parts such as "Head and neck," "Body" "legs" etc... Create headers as you see fit

General principles of conformation analysis[edit]

Several ways to approach this;

Baird: (Trakehner Assn) "The horse must always be looked at as a single unit, but, for the purposes of discussion, he may be ‘divided’ into the following four sections:

1. The head and neck. 2. The back, including the croup. 3. The shoulders and front legs. 4. The quarters and hind legs." 5. (and gait -- on a later page)

West, quoting Beeman "The Horse" (AAEP 2008)

1. Head, neck, body, and balance; 2. Forelimb (from the top of the scapula, or shoulder blade, to the bottom of the foot); 3. Hind limb (from the top of the croup to the bottom of the foot); 4. Type; and 5. Way of going.

Score sheets:

AHA Sport Horse in-hand

Head & Neck
Shoulder & Sdl-Postn
Back, Loin & Hindqtr

*Legs & Feet
*Gaits

Overall breed characteristics, Quality,

Balance and Harmony, Suitability as a Sport Horse

Form to function[edit]

Breeds developed due to a need for "form to function", the necessity to develop certain characteristics in order to perform a particular type of work.^[1] Thus, powerful but refined breeds such as the Andalusian developed as riding horses that also had a great aptitude for dressage,^[1] while heavy draft horses such as the Clydesdale developed out of a need to perform demanding farm work and pull heavy wagons.^[2] Other horse breeds developed specifically for light agricultural work, carriage and road work, various sport disciplines, or simply as pets.^[3]

Balance[edit]

Conformation assessment[edit]

The nitty-gritty here

Gallery (temporary)[edit]

Put photos here that might be useful in the article, check licensing by the FA standard first, do derived works -- crops, etc., to highlight what's intended:

Licensing verified OK[edit]

Withers higher than croup (as a note, this was previously our Horse lead pic that was deleted. It now has proper OTRS confirmation, so is usable, just FYI)
Light frame
Toeing out -- might be good for gait deficit, winging in
Short upright pasterns
Long cannon bones
High withers
Pigeon breasted horse
Sloping shoulder
Upright shoulder
Nicely turned over neck
Bull neck, short and thick
Thick crest
A horse with a parrot mouth.
A Clydesdale with a very low set tail.

OK licensing (probably)[edit]

I know these are (or should be) OK, cause I took 'em!)

Mega-uber swayback
Jumpers bump
Generic Arabian butt
Short back Can do a version without the rectangles if needed
Long back Ditto, can remove the rectangles
Generic back, Arabian horse
Crop this boy for various things
Sweet mare, iffy hocks (crop candidate)
May be a useful topline crop

See also the Commons cat and the highlights gathered to date. Pitke (talk) 17:54, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Would be cool to use, need licensing checked[edit]

File:Insert images here

Notes[edit]

^ ^a ^b Sponenberg, "The Proliferation of Horse Breeds", Horses Through Time, p. 155
^ Sponenberg, "The Proliferation of Horse Breeds", Horses Through Time, pp. 156–57
^ Sponenberg, "The Proliferation of Horse Breeds", Horses Through Time, p. 162

References[edit]

Sources now cited above

Sponenberg, D. Phillip (1996). "The Proliferation of Horse Breeds". Horses Through Time (First ed.). Boulder, CO: Roberts Rinehart Publishers. ISBN 1570980608. OCLC 36179575.

Form to function sources

More cool stuff from The Horse'

http://www.thehorse.com/articles/26216/horse-conformation-conundrums
http://www.thehorse.com/ViewArticle.aspx?ID=17050 Conformation Condrums (which faults matter and which don't)
http://www.thehorse.com/pdf/anatomy/anatomy8.pdf Anatomy pdf

General cool stuff

http://www.horsesinsideout.com/pictures.html

MTBW's collection

AHA Education/Evaluation Commission (2004). "Arabian Conformation/Halter/Gaits". Arabian Horse Judges Program. Arabian Horse Association. {{cite book}}: |format= requires |url= (help); Cite has empty unknown parameter: |sectionurl= (help); Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)

AHA Youth Committee (2005). "Chapters 5 and 6". Arabian Youth Judging Guide. 2005 Revision. Arabian Horse Association. pp. 12–21. {{cite book}}: |format= requires |url= (help); Cite has empty unknown parameter: |sectionurl= (help)

Baird, Robert (1998). "Sport Horse Conformation And The Breeder". The ATA and the Trakehner. American Trakehner Association. Retrieved May 28, 2009. {{cite web}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |coauthors= (help)

Bennett, Deb (2008). "Conformation and Function in the Riding Horse" (pdf). Equine Studies Institute. Retrieved June 25, 2009. {{cite web}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |coauthors= (help)

Bennett, Deb (1996). Principles of Conformation Analysis, Volume I. Gaithersburg, MD: Fleet Street Publishing Corporation. p. 96. ISBN 0-9611314-3-8. {{cite book}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |coauthors= (help)

Bennett, Deb (1996). Principles of Conformation Analysis, Volume II. Gaithersburg, MD: Fleet Street Publishing Corporation. p. 96. ISBN 0-9611314-3-8. {{cite book}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |coauthors= (help)

Bennett, Deb (1996). Principles of Conformation Analysis, Volume III. Gaithersburg, MD: Fleet Street Publishing Corporation. p. 96. ISBN 0-9611314-3-8. {{cite book}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |coauthors= (help)

Burt, Don (1990). Winning With Arabian Horses (First ed.). New York: Prentice Hall Press. p. 232. ISBN 0-13-960824-9. {{cite book}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |coauthors= (help)

Chace, Buzz; Bill Graves, Ryan Mahan, Michael Matz (2009). Conformation for Performance (DVD). Lexington, KY: Blood-Horse Publications. {{cite AV media}}: Unknown parameter |length= ignored (help)

Edwards, Gladys Brown (1973). Anatomy and Conformation of the Horse. Croton-on-Hudson, NY: Dreenan Press, Ltd. p. 218. ISBN 0-88376-025-8. {{cite book}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |coauthors= (help)

Equine Research (2004) [1999]. Hedge, Juliet, DVM; Wagoner, Don (eds.). Horse Conformation: Structure, Soundness, and Performance (First ed.). Guilford, CT: Lyons Press. p. 484. ISBN 1-59228-487-6.{{cite book}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: editors list (link)

Harris, Susan E. (1997). Harvie, Ruth Ring, USPC (ed.). The USPC Guide to Comformation, Movement and Soundness. New York: Howell Book House. p. 60. ISBN 0-87605-639-7.{{cite book}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: editors list (link)

Roy, Randy G. (2001). The Judge Is Back (First ed.). Richmond Hill, Ontario: Rylin Enterprises. p. 371. ISBN 0-968462-0-3. {{cite book}}: Check |isbn= value: length (help); Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)

Sellnow, Les (July 01 1999). "Leg Conformation". The Horse. Blood-Horse Publications. Retrieved November 27, 2010. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |date= (help); Cite has empty unknown parameter: |coauthors= (help)

West, Christy (March 2009). "Conformation and Function" (PDF). The Horse. Blood-Horse Publications. {{cite web}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |coauthors= (help); Unknown parameter |url2= ignored (help)

Several 4-H manuals published by the (Montana) MSU Extension Service
Assorted generic overview books on horses, including Ensminger
Probably other stuff...

Dana's collection

Points of the Horse - Hayes, 7th ed.
3 vol USPC Manual of Horsemanship, includes quite a bit of conformation stuff
A bunch of general horse books.

Stuff stolen wholesale out of Ealdgyth's secret sandbox ;-)

E: I just grabbed what looks like it had conformation content...add whatever else you can contribute.

Harris, Susan E. (1993). Horse Gaits, Balance and Movement. New York: Howell Book House. ISBN 0-87605-955-8.
Ensminger, M. E. (1990). Horses and Horsemanship: Animal Agriculture Series (Sixth ed.). Danville, IL: Interstate Publishers. ISBN 0-8134-2883-1.
Wall, John. F. and Frank Jennings (1955). Judging the Horse - For Racing, Riding, and Recreation. Lexington, KY: Thoroughbred Press. OCLC 3254442.

Sources from Baird article not already listed above (anyone have these?) The Gymnasium of the Horse - Gustav Steinbrecht (1888) (Xenophon Press, 1995) Translated by Helen Gibble Equitation - Jean Froissard (Wilshire Book Co., 1971) -- Might have this, have to dig --MtBW A History of Horsemanship - C.C. Trench (Doubleday, 1970) Complete Training of Horse and Rider - Alois Podhajsky (Doubleday, 1967) --I have this, somewhere --MtBW Horsemanship - Waldemar Seunig (Doubleday, 1956) --Might have this, have to dig --MtBw Anatomy of the Horse - George Stubbs (Bracken Books, 1990) --Check commons for images, Stubbs did anatomical sketches and measurements

Everyone else add their stuff as they can!

Discussion[edit]

General discussion of above article here, to spare creating a talk page too!

One open question is deciding on UK vs US vs Au terms, maybe use all, but in the same order each time(?). The other problem is that even within one dialect, there will be multiple words for the same thing. Thoughts? Montanabw^(talk) 05:20, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

I'm also in favor of cropping full body shots when possible to illustrate a particular defect, (at least if we can all agree on what it is!) though sometimes we may need to show the whole animal for balance. Thoughts? Anyone got photoshop and can do some crops? (I do not, my crops are straight off a jpeg...) Montanabw^(talk) 05:20, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

The link with all of the templates and their parameters is Wikipedia:Citation templates. However, if everyone wants to just add stuff in however, I can do cleanup. Probably short cites (author, title, page probably since we'll most likely be using multiple works from some authors) for books with long refs in a separate section, like we did with horse and most others. I'll add in any books I have when I get home... - Dana :So, not a lot. Like I said, I think I'll be more help on the general cleanup end. - Dana

[Sponenberg155-1] Sponenberg, "The Proliferation of Horse Breeds", Horses Through Time, p. 155

[2] Sponenberg, "The Proliferation of Horse Breeds", Horses Through Time, pp. 156–57

[Spon162-3] Sponenberg, "The Proliferation of Horse Breeds", Horses Through Time, p. 162

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