Talk:Transgender flag

Source about flag creator

"Originally from Arizona, Monica Helms moved to Atlanta in 2000. She helped form the Tri-Ess chapter Alpha Zeta 1983 and It's Time, Arizona in 1999. She has served as the Co-Chair of BiNet AZ, on the Board of NTAC, the Secretary of Georgia Stonewall Democrats, on the Board of LaGender, Inc. and the Southern Association for Gender Education. Currently, she is on the GLBT Community Advisory Committee for Rep. John Lewis, Advisory Board for NCTE, the Executive Director of Trans-Action, the Co-Coordinator for the Transgender Day of Remembrance since 2000 and Founder and President of the Transgender American Veterans Association (TAVA.) In March, 2003, Monica received the Trinity Award and was elected as the first transgender delegate from Georgia to the Democratic National Convention, July 2004. She is a published author, a regular columnist for Transgender Tapestry, and the creator of the Transgender Pride Flag."— Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]])

http://www.transeventsusa.org/ifge/tg06_bioList.shtml - The IFGE Conference, Transgender 2006: Presenters & Organizers.

Google result issue

Hi, I just noticed that when this page comes up in a Google search (e.g. searching for 'trans flag') the result seems to pick a flag from the page at random. I'm not sure how to fix this, but I think having the top result display the most common flag would be best. 95.146.60.241 (talk) 21:20, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

I don't know for sure, but I wonder whether moving the standard flag above the templates might help Google to recognise it as the main/lede image? DanielRigal (talk) 21:45, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

I think this probably a google issue rather than a wikipedia issue. I'm not an expert but I believe there are many factors determining what google serves up. Wikipedia might be anonymous but GOOGLE KNOWS WHO YOU ARE !

Those who want full information can read the article. Those who just want an overview can just read the introduction. So what google shows first is irrelevant. 2001:569:BE99:EA00:ADA4:2B14:C66D:6FE4 (talk) 03:04, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

I am opposed to doing anything on this page for the purpose of influencing how Google (or any other indexer or external website) organizes their affairs. There is no Wikipedia policy or guideline that would remotely call for doing such a thing. Any change to this article should be only to improve *our* article and based strictly on *our* P&G. Mathglot (talk) 05:09, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Actually, I think I figured out why this happened. A user decided to delete the infobox in November last year here and most search engines use the infobox image for deciding which one to show.

The infobox has since been restored and it looks like the main flag that people consider the Transgender flag now shows up with the result. Raladic (talk) 20:30, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

"Most prominent" flag

Firstly, the link (7) doesn't work. The statement should be qualified as being 10 years old. I found an article under that title but there is no content: https://mashable.com/archive/lgbt-pride-symbols. So, at the moment, this is an unsupported claim.

Does anyone have a reliable source? Humpster (talk) 05:06, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Opening any search engine and searching for Transgender flag will show that the helms design has become synonymous with the term trans flag, such as this article from last year, or this one by the Smithsonian from 2022 or this resource page by the human rights campaign. Raladic (talk) 06:48, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Moved from User talk:MikutoH

 – --MikutoH ^talk! 00:20, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for contributing to transgender flag, MikutoH (talk · contribs). I removed the info box for the Helms flag six months ago because it didn't convey any information which wasn't in the text. I didn't revert your May 7 good-faith edit because I believe reversion is overused as a blunt instrument. (To me, reversion is an overreactive act verging on aggression.) It would be better if edits could be flagged as "under discussion"and force both sides to state their position.

As you observed, the status of the Helms flag is now in dispute. Simply put, my opinion is that Wikipedia should not prefer any single transgender flag design. I have been editing the article in this vein for a long time, almost in isolation. Now, there has been an objection.

I am writing a summary of the different opinions and hope to post it in a few days. So please hold any edits until the end of the week.

Humphrey Tribble Humpster (talk) 23:18, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

@Humphrey Tribble I perceive that that could apply to the disability flag, in which the userbox uses a flag that has institutional recognitions but the other flag is widely used as well, sometimes even more than the one that the article considers the main flag. However, I also think this is a false equivalence, because the Helms' flag is strongerly considered the trans flag nowadays, it has even an emoji recognized in most places online. --MikutoH ^talk! 23:25, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

That's a good example for comparison. Thank you. Humpster (talk) 23:32, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

There is no dispute over the helms design being synonymous with the transgender flag.

It even was adopted as the design into the standard emoji repository of every major device. Several years ago.

Anyone trying to say anything contrary to that is trying to push a WP:FRINGE viewpoint. I’ve searched online, but unequivocally all WP:RS cite the Helms design as the de-facto design for the transgender flag and only cursory list they some alternative designs exist, such as this article here, but that’s it.

I have expanded the article to that effect now and added those sources. Raladic (talk) 00:04, 14 May 2024 (UTC)