Talk:Taylor Hayes (The Bold and the Beautiful)

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POV[edit]

This article is not very objective. Who wrote the first sentence? "She is a renowned psychiatrist, whose medical expertise is always tempered with her enormous heart and her compassion." Give me a break. She has not been shown practicing medicine in months, and I have yet to see any evidence of her "enormous heart" and "compassion". On the whole, whoever wrote this article seems to subscribe to the belief that Taylor is a Saint who can do no wrong. "Taylor sleeps with James Warwick, but not on purpose"? That was completely consensual and "on purpose". 38.106.204.50 (talk) 20:25, 4 August 2009 (UTC) The article is extremely whitewashed! I edited the area about Taylor and Eric "never doing anything" because they, in fact, did have a flirtatious make out session at the beach house, and later Taylor went back to be with him, but found Stephanie in Eric's bed sleeping! I watched the clip on Youtube a few months ago. Also, the whole Taylor/Whip thing was completely whitewashed as well. She did him very wrong, and was not true to him at all. I wonder why it was not mentioned that she called out Ridge's name during sex with Whip, and then told Ridge about it, sharing very intimate details about her love making with her current husband, to her ex-husband, who she was still in love with?! The majority of the article is written to make Taylor appear to be something that she is not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vynderchie (talk • contribs) 12:46, 10 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Last Name[edit]

I thank it is important to note that Taylor never went by the last name "Rashid". During the course of her marriage to Prince Omar Rashid, she went under the name "Princess Leila Rashid" due to her memory loss. When she did get her memory back, the marriage was thus pronounced invalid. She has however been referred to as "Taylor Forrester" in the past and most commonly "Taylor Hayes". —Preceding unsigned comment added by AugustAugust (talk • contribs) 08:42, 17 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hayes or Marone[edit]

Taylor's common name is "Taylor Hayes Marone" a name she still legally holds after her divorce from Nick. Just as she used "Taylor Forrester" for a number of years she is using "Marone" hench her son Jack Marone. Taylor has very little been referred to as "Taylor Hayes" nor does CBS.com refer to her as such. The article should be title "Taylor Marone" or "Taylor Hayes Marone" —Preceding unsigned comment added by AugustAugust (talk • contribs) 11:35, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Section titles and tone[edit]

I think it is important to note that we are writing for an encyclopedia, not a fan website. As such, we need to think about the way we are writing and that includes how we use section titles. I started editing this article on October 23. It contained sections titled: "Taylor has an affair with her daughter's first on again off again boyfriend", "Brief reunion with Ridge, counseling and Whip", "I slept with your son/don't dare think of sleeping with mine", and "Taylor and Stephanie corrupted Thomas image of Brooke leads to scandal". These are riddled with problems. They read like something you'd see at a fan site, and the last one isn't anywhere near grammatically correct or coherent Even the newest attempt at the "Brooke Slaps Taylor" is wrong because the word slap isn't a proper noun and shouldn't be capitalized here. If fan website editing is what you are interested in, perhaps going over to Wikia. They use the same formatting as we do here, and you can copy articles from here to use there if you credit Wikipedia. If you choose to stay here, please remember you are writing an encyclopedia article. AniMate 03:25, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Last name[edit]

I think Taylor should be named "Taylor Hayes Forrester", I think I have heard that name a lot more then Hayes or Marone. besides, Taylor was married to Ridge for about 10-13 years in total, so I think she should hold the name Forrester, (as her kids Pheobe, Steffy and Thomas have that name to). DrLiande333 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:33, 6 November 2010 (UTC).[reply]

  • You may want to review the naming conventions and guidelines found here and here. The Manual of Style presents guidelines for names within articles, as well as for the naming of the article itself. We do not include prefixed academic titles when referring to the subject of an article. We use the common name, which in the case of the subject of this article, would be simply "Taylor Hayes". Being bold is great, but you have to know what you are doing. Please do not make anymore moves of articles before reading the guidelines on naming conventions. Thanks, Cindamuse (talk) 21:17, 6 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • The character's name always appears in the credits as "Dr. Taylor Hayes ___"—the blank being filled by her current married name. Currently, she appears as "Dr. Taylor Hayes Jones." What always remains consistent are the names "Taylor" and "Hayes," which suggests that "Taylor Hayes" is the perfect name for this article. -- JustinSpurlin (talk) 09:57, 1 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Was Taylor originally an oncologist?[edit]

Other articles about this show's characters say that she was Caroline's oncologist, not her counselor. Even if the show itself now pretends that Taylor has always been a psychiatrist, there needs to be a note that this is a ret-conned background. -- JustinSpurlin (talk) 11:47, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sources/References[edit]

I have added a section "Public reception/image". Sources from places such as Soaps She Knows and other internet forums should be fine as sources (even though they are usually taken down); however they are acceptable because i used them as a reference to back-up text about the public's view on the character; so please do not take the link down unless you can come up with another. Thankyou SoapJar21 (talk) 08:47, 11 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Soaps She Knows is not acceptable, since it isn't a verifiable third party source. Unless it's a source like Soap Opera Digest; Soap Weekly or something like TVGuide or TVLine. Any other is not acceptable. Musicfreak7676 (talk) 19:32, 12 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I've already notified the editor on this. Just so no one is mislead - Musicfreak provided an extremely limited example of where to find sources. There are atleast 100 plus websites to gain sources from - that are acceptable - all the regional newspapers, national newspapers, entertainment websites, international coverage the provides even more - the possibilities are endless. Think outside of the box.RaintheOne BAM 19:39, 12 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I only named those that were off the top of my head, of course I wasn't trying to limit anything. I was merely providing examples, not a full list of sources. I'd be here for days. Musicfreak7676 (talk) 20:05, 12 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
That is good MF. :) It was just because you said "Any other is not acceptable" - I thought you were outlining the use of any other, but I guess you meant fansites.RaintheOne BAM 20:11, 12 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I did mean fansites, like Soaps She Knows; SoapCentral, Michael Fairman, etc. Those are not verifiable, third-party sources. And that TidBi or whatever that Blogspot is should never be used, LOL. Musicfreak7676 (talk) 20:17, 12 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Michael Fairman is a fansite, not affiliated with the actual soaps, so it should not be used. If SoapCentral cannot be used, I don't believe Michael Fairman should as well. SoapCentral reports the same amount of news MF soaps, as well as SoapOperaDigest, even sometimes beforehand. Musicfreak7676 (talk) 18:02, 15 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I do not believe that is a correct assessment of the source. Soapcentral is a fansite for sure. Secondary sources are meant to be used, you highlighted a reason for using the source, because if the site is not "affiliated" with soaps (Which it's target audience is) then it would be fine. Michael Fairman worked as a journalist for various news groups, so that gains one tick. Sony, a major company, employed him as their soap opera reporter and he even designed a their soap news content - I doubt Sony would leave anything to chance. What Michael Fairman seems to have, is actual access to the star, shown in various video interviews with the stars, proving that the interviews did take place. He also worked for ABC as the soap opera promotions manager. He has an official podcast in the Itunes store which is credible. It is safe to say it is an okay source.RaintheOne BAM 18:18, 15 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
SoapCentral has access to the stars, too. He's interviewed many soap stars, and have had soap stars work for him at places such as the Daytime Emmys. I do not believe he should be over-looked, and I have been told on many occasions, MFS is not creditable. There needs to be a bigger consensus on yes and no sources. Musicfreak7676 (talk) 18:21, 15 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 1[edit]

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The result of the move request was: moved -- JHunterJ (talk) 12:56, 14 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Taylor Hayes (fictional character) → Taylor Hayes (The Bold and the Beautiful) – The title should be more specific to the character's core ground. Plus, examples such as Heather Webber, Jason Morgan and John Black help differentiate between characters and said-series they are associated with. MusicFreak7676 TALK! 16:47, 5 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see the problem with the current disambiguator. Powers T 19:46, 5 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support; if the title must contain a bracketed disambiguator then I'd prefer a slightly more informative one. It's also slightly more in like with readers' likely search terms. bobrayner (talk) 14:38, 6 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Also: Is there a good reason for this article to lack a hatnote pointing to Taylor Hayes? bobrayner (talk) 14:39, 6 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes; because of the disambiguator, there is virtually no chance of anyone ending up at this article when they really wanted to read Taylor Hayes (entertainer). A search or an inadvertent link would both end up at the disambiguation page. Powers T 16:02, 6 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Like Powers I don't see much wrong with current setup, but looking at Category:The Bold and the Beautiful characters and other fictional characters that require disambiguation, it does appear to be done by the TV show's title the majority of the time. As such, I believe the proposed title conforms with the consistency criterion of WP:AT. Jenks24 (talk) 11:54, 13 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - It appears to be common practise to have the series specific name in the title and this would not be a controversial move.Rain the 1 14:46, 13 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Requested move 2[edit]

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The result of the move request was: No move. If anything, the porn actress appears to be the primary topic. Cúchullain t/c 17:20, 10 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Taylor Hayes (The Bold and the Beautiful) → Taylor Hayes – Simply put, there is no need for a disambiguation page. The pornographic actress who always uses the name Taylor Hayes took it from the character from The Bold and the Beautiful. A simple hatnote on the top of the character page should be added, instead. Statυs (talk) 02:33, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support ~ I always thought this but never really moved it. Taylor Hayes is more notable for being her name not a fan-turned-pornographic actress' name. Arre 02:51, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The porn actress should be the primary name located article with a hatnote to the soap opera character. Just because something came first doesn't make it the primary topic. Many namesakes are primary over their source. -- 70.24.250.26 (talk) 06:00, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - Seriously, who watches this soap opera anymore? The viewership went down over the years. I'm not sure if the porn star qualifies as primary, but I'd rather pick a factual person than a fictional one. --George Ho (talk) 08:14, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    George, I'd like to remind you that it still the #1 most watched soap opera in the world. That doesn't even mean anything (the viewership going down). The pornstar's article has barely anything on it. The fictional character holds more notability. Arre 09:42, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I think in this case leaving the disambiguation page as the primary target is fine. The porn actress is unfortunately the top hit on Google, and of the top ten only one refers to the soap character. Not exactly scientific, but there's no evidence that one is more notable than the other. AniMate 10:11, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Not if you turn on SafeSearch. Statυs (talk) 05:58, 1 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    I suppose that's true. Still it's a better reason than "who watches this soap opera anymore". AniMate 07:32, 1 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    That's a good point that Status made. Arre 11:17, 1 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Transcripts prove errors in statements[edit]

There are two sites specifically that have transcripts for the show, both World of Bold and Beautiful, and TV Megasite. Both have solid proof of actual facts of the show.

During a counselling session with Dr. James Warwick, Taylor and Brooke both stated that they "SHARE" custody of Jack. Taylor has never 'given up' custody of Jack. I will be happy to cut and paste the actual transcripts here. It was also mentioned when Taylor was engaged to and married to Whip Jones, that they were frequent visitors to the Marone home to visit 'her son' Jack.

There was also no jail time for Taylor for the accident. Also found in transcripts. There is also no 'reliable source' to be found that can prove there were any unsuccessful contract negotiations with Hunter Tylo and Brad Bell that caused her being let go from Bold. In fact, there is an interview with Brad Bell where he specifically stated that he didn't want to let Hunter go, but that he felt there was no place else he could take the character because 'Taylor' was just too good of a character. I will be happy to post that interview as well. 

Please refrain from changing the FACTS of the show because you are clearly not a fan of either Taylor or Hunter Tylo.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.5.76.2 (talk) 11:55, 25 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 2013[edit]

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The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 21:05, 26 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Taylor Forrester → Taylor Hayes (The Bold and the Beautiful) – What a mess! The proposed title was formerly a current title and was stable until move-warring, which got the page move-protected. Frankly, I see this character married to a Ridge Forrester previously many times and other men. Her birth name should be used, now that she is no longer married to a Forrester, unless the show uses "Taylor Forrester". Seriously, I see "Taylor" in non-primary sources, but I see "Taylor Forrester" but not in many recent sources. Instead, "Taylor Hayes" is majorly used. George Ho (talk) 23:57, 5 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support IMDB uses this name [1] and, as User:George Ho points out, there has never been a move request legitimising the current title, and given the two earlier failed move requests to other titles I think the move to the current title definitely should have been regarded as a potentially controversial move.  — Amakuru (talk) 09:31, 13 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. I don't know the show or the character but I had a look on IMDb, which shows she has been in around 1600 episodes, and it says she's normally credited as "Dr. Taylor Hayes", but when she's not, "Taylor Hayes" always appears in her name (e.g. Dr. Taylor Hayes Forrester), so it suggests that she is better known as Taylor Hayes. –anemoneprojectors– 12:12, 13 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Per WP:COMMONNAME, her name is Taylor Hayes. Why the page was moved is beyond me. The page was likely moved by a Taylor fan who preferred her with her long-time love Ridge Forrester. Taylor Hayes is her commonname, and the page should reflect that. livelikemusic my talk page! 13:55, 13 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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