Talk:Nicolás Maduro

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Removal of "Disputed" title in infobox[edit]

De facto and de jure, Maduro is Venezuela's undisputed president. He has control over all of Venezuela's institutions and is the leader that various presidents around the world have referred to by the title of "President" (among them Emmanuel Macron). Now that Juan Guaidó no longer holds any claim to the Venezuelan presidency, I believe that the "Disputed since 23 January 2019" title in the infobox should be removed, or at least a vote held regarding whether it should stay or not, since the Venezuelan presidential crisis has been resolved.

The U.S.'s opinion of Maduro's legitimacy holds little to no weight over the actual state of Venezuelan political affairs. I vote to remove the "disputed" title, both on this page and on all related pages displaying the title. -HandIsNotNookls (talk) 19:02, 5 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Juan Guaido's ouster as leader from the Venezuelan opposition and the fact that the U.S. has withdrawn it's support for Guaido, surely other nations who've done it will move in unison. I vote to remove the "disputed" title as well. Wildeofoscar (talk) 01:04, 7 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The 2018 Venezuelan presidential elections were internationally questioned, regardless of Guaidó's status. That's why the subtitle's date is 10 January and not 23 January, when Guaidó declared he was president. Also, describing these reactions merely as "U.S.'s opinion" is highly misleading, and this opposition has also been domestic. --NoonIcarus (talk) 21:55, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Request for Comment[edit]

Please see the following Request for Comment at President of Venezuela:

--David Tornheim (talk) 07:10, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 25 March 2024[edit]

Place of birth: Cúcuta, Colombia 2603:8080:2E00:EACA:4E1:91FF:4313:14F2 (talk) 00:29, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Funnyfarmofdoom (talk to me) 01:42, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request on 27 March 2024, Nicolás Maduro biography error.[edit]

Nicolás Maduro Moros (Spanish: [nikoˈlas maˈðuɾo ˈmoɾos] ⓘ; born 23 November 1962) is a Venezuelan politician who has served as the president of Venezuela since 2013.

This definition of Nicolás Maduro is wrong and outdated.

Nicolás Maduro is not to be considered a President, since elections in Venezuela failed to follow any international guidelines for democratic elections even before 2013, the year Maduro came into power. Nicolás Maduro is in fact a dictator, persecuting any legitimate opposition inside the country. Also committed many violations of Human Rights through the use of Venezuela's security forces, as reported in Protests against Nicolás Maduro. His government's attitude towards democracy in the 2024 Venezuelan elections have been dictatorial from the very start, purging UN observers from the country. As of March 27th 2024, Maduro also barred Corina Yoris from running for presidency. Yoris was already a substitute runner for María Corina Machado, a persecuted Venezuelan politician impeded from running for office by the Venezuelan Supreme Justice for 15 years, after winning the primary elections with 90% of the popular vote.

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Nicolás Maduro Moros (Spanish: [nikoˈlas maˈðuɾo ˈmoɾos] ⓘ; born 23 November 1962) is a Venezuelan politician who has ruled as a dictator in the country of Venezuela since 2013.

Sources: https://2017-2021.state.gov/a-democratic-crisis-in-venezuela/ https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/1/27/venezuela-court-disqualifies-leading-opposition-presidential-candidate https://salazar.house.gov/media/press-releases/chairwoman-salazar-invites-venezuelan-presidential-candidate-maria-corina https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2024/03/25/venezuela-s-new-opposition-candidate-an-unknown-80-year-old-academic_6653224_4.html https://www.forbes.com/sites/eliasferrerbreda/2024/03/11/the-regime-must-negotiate-with-me-interview-with-maria-corina-machado/?sh=74fdc01c6ac6 FardoObsceno (talk) 21:18, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: Per MOS:BIOFIRSTSENTENCE, the first sentence of biographical articles should usually avoid contentious terms. See articles of other similar political leaders for examples (e.g. Kim Jong Un, Vladimir Putin, etc.). Consensus is needed to make an exception. Liu1126 (talk) 19:49, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Accession date[edit]

It says that Maduro became the president on 5 March 2013 as soon as his predecessor, Hugo Chávez died. However, Maduro became the acting president on 5 March and didn't officially become the president until 19 April of that same year.

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Assumed office: 19 April 2013 Acting: 5 March – 19 April 2013 219.77.28.65 (talk) 07:44, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I do see your point. However, I believe acting president is sufficient. I looked up examples of people who took their position prior to being elected: Ed Lee, Lyndon B. Johnson, and Gerald Ford. In every case, the assumption of office is based on the date they starting acting in the capacity of that position. So for Maduro, the date should be 5 March 2013 rather than 19 April 2013. --David Tornheim (talk) 11:38, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I get it on how you see it, but then Ed Lee, Gerald Ford, and Lyndon B. Johnson were never Acting Presidents (and Mayor) as they became the new president (for Johnson and Ford) and mayor (for Lee) as soon their predecessors (Assassination of John F. Kennedy for LBJ, Resignation for Ford, and the resignation of Gavin Newsom for Lee) term came to an end.
Maduro however is different, and there is a point on why it shoudl be 19 April 2013, not 5 March. When he became the Acting President, it was on the news. From 5 March to 19 April 2013, Maduro was reffered to as the Acting (or Interim as some people would call it) President, not President. Ford, Johnson, and Lee has nothing to do with this as like I said, they're never Acting Presidents (and Mayor). Even in other wikipedias (especially the spanish Wikipedia), Maduro's accession date is clearly 19 April, not 5 March.
I understand that you think that the assumption of office is based on the date they starting acting in the capacity of that position. Also, in Google, it clearly says that Maduro's assumption of office as president is 19 April, not 5 March.
This is an evidence, but also, there is a reason. Some people will get confused as Maduro's real accession date is 19 April, but here says 5 March. So please, change it. If you don't want it, let's at least hold a vote. Also, you can just put Acting: 5 March – 19 April 2013 below the assumption date.
Also, for the President of Venezuela page, don't change back the entire page just because of the accession date, at least you should have just changed the accession date, not the entire page, thanks. 219.77.28.65 (talk) 13:08, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Even in other wikipedias (especially the spanish Wikipedia), Maduro's accession date is clearly 19 April, not 5 March.
Wikipedia is not a reliable source. If you are not familiar with reliable sources, see: WP:RS. However, it would probably be better to have consistency across the various languages. I don't know if there are differences in how this is handled in other languages or countries.
Also, in Google, it clearly says that Maduro's assumption of office as president is 19 April, not 5 March.
Google is not a reliable source--but is useful in finding reliable sources.
I believe the 5 March date has been in the article for quite some time, so it is better to leave it as it was as long as the reliable sources do not contract it. Please see: WP:BRD.
don't change back the entire page just because of the accession date
What other changes did you make in this edit at President of Venezuela that you believe should be restored? --David Tornheim (talk) 01:36, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, you're right. In other wikipedias (mainly the Spanish wikipedia), the date is 5 March. Also, the other changes at President of Venezuela that I made and that I believe should be restored is the space, and the image. Basically everything but the date, thanks. 219.77.28.65 (talk) 01:43, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I restored the new photo, see #Photo, where I discuss size. As for adding the space in the template, I don't see that as an improvement. --David Tornheim (talk) 08:44, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Photo[edit]

I restored the new 2023 photo originally added by OliverDF at President of Venezuela per the last comment of the above section. Also, I did not see any reason to increase the size of the pic, but I understand if others disagree. --David Tornheim (talk) 08:45, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, thanks 219.77.28.65 (talk) 01:14, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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