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Surely, nationality is about which passport someone has. Rwandan-Scottish may be perceived as an ethnicity, but not a nationality. British is the correct nationality. Francis Hannaway (talk) 13:45, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Rwandan-Scottish for the lede, and United Kingdom for the infobox, this is the format used for British citizens who specify a home nations identity.Halbared (talk) 20:29, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
1. He has Rwandan nationality.
2. If a Scotsman moved to Japan and took Japanese nationality, who would consider him to be Japanese? Rustygecko (talk) 20:06, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Over three years ago, I sourced an article where Gatwa identifies himself as a Brit. It was later removed. —Jonny Nixon (talk) 10:10, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If a Scottish newspaper calls Gatwa "Rwandan-Scottish", why shouldn't that be stated in the article? Adakiko (talk) 12:59, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
As per note a in MOS:BIO#Notes there isn't a preference between referring to someone as British over Scottish and it should be based on what it used in sources. The majority of sources that I've seen refer to him as Scottish so I don't think it needs to be changed to British. Suonii180 (talk) 18:47, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Unless you can cite a reliable source stating that this is an important distinction, we'll take what The National has to say over what you, a random person on the internet, have to say. DonQuixote (talk) 13:11, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
He's not Scottish in any way, shape or form. Just like he wouldn't be English if he lived in England or Welsh if he lived in Wales. British is the nationality. He is Rwandan by birth and ethnicity and holds Rwandan and British citizenship. Scottish has no part in any of this. If I wrote an article in a newspaper stating the sky was brown would you think that was a reliable source? even through it defies all common sense and reality based facts. The agenda driven woketards are taking over Wiki now. Sad. 2A02:C7C:AC54:9100:7C29:6251:F583:AA8D (talk) 11:49, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@2A02:C7C:AC54:9100:7C29:6251:F583:AA8D thank you for informing me (who went through the entire education system here and barely remembers life prior to moving up) that I am not permitted to be Scottish. M1ddleM00se (talk) 18:43, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
He will not be the fourth Scottish actor, he is not a Scottish national, I'm not sure if he has a British passport, regardless he is only Rwandan, to be Scottish you have to be from Scotland. 2A00:23EE:18E0:38F:829:E471:9E74:3A5E (talk) 08:12, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The BBC and The National say that he's from Scotland (both cited in the lede).
Hence why I said 'personally'. Another key phrase 'over some random person on the internet'.
Also, why can't he be proud of being both? DonQuixote (talk) 00:14, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Get away with that nonsense. You'd no be so strict were he white. M1ddleM00se (talk) 20:09, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If an English person moved to Scotland and started calling himself Scottish, it would be just as ludicrous and rightly be questioned in the same way. The fact you bring up skin colour shows you have an agenda to push this false narrative as if it was a fact. Ncuti is not Scottish. This is a fact. 2A02:C7C:AC54:9100:7C29:6251:F583:AA8D (talk) 11:52, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(this is someone's copy of the video, I haven't found the original source) Tduk (talk) 14:50, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Here it is on the Disney+ Facebook: [1]Tduk (talk) 18:45, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks—but he says he was 26 when his mother "corrected" him, which puts it 2018–19, but we have more recent videos of him introducing himself as /ˈʃuːti/. It seems more accurate to say that it is [nʃ-] in Kinyarwanda, but he says [ʃ-] when speaking English following its phonotactics. Nardog (talk) 23:39, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I see your point - he may just be up front about pronouncing it differently than what his mother says. I think we will need some better sources. He doesn't clearly state his stance in that video, which makes it unclear what the goal of the video is. Tduk (talk) 00:37, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We seem to have a similar situation to Timothée Chalamet, who also uses an anglicized pronunciation when introducing himself despite having described the pronunciation in his heritage language as the "real" one. This is a common phenomenon: people often characterize an earlier pronunciation/meaning/etc of a word as the "correct" one. It's fine if they're using the word loosely just to mean "original/etymological", but to genuinely ascribe correctness to something just because it's an earlier form is an etymological fallacy. The correct pronunciation of a person's name in a language they fluently speak is invariably the one they use when speaking that language, no matter the name's origin. Nardog (talk) 05:23, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We already agreed, though Gatwa's mother may disagree! Either way it's nice to have the explanation spelled out here. Another way to see it is that he's changed his name from the one his mother intended to give him to one that is spelled the same but pronounced differently. This is actually kind of the opposite of what happened with Geddy Lee. However it gets resolved, a note will probably help prevent further confusion. Tduk (talk) 12:18, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
By the way, I think it's too early to really be sure which is correct either way - in the recent interview clip where he gives the pronunciation beginning with an "n", he is answer the question "how do you pronounce Ncuti?", not something like "how is Ncuti supposed to be pronounced?" The former question _can_ be interpreted as the latter but isn't always. Tduk (talk) 12:40, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If he changes how he pronounces his own name in his adult life, like Dick Cheney and Hasan Minhaj did, we should simply follow it and report the new pronunciation. But he introduced himself as /ˈʃuːti/ as recently as six months ago, so it seems safe to regard it as the authoritative English pronunciation at the moment. Nardog (talk) 07:48, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not going to get into an edit war, but I respectfully disagree that it seems clear - in the recent video, when asked "how do you pronounce Ncuti", he used the n sound. He was not asked "how does your mother pronounce it?" or "how is it pronounced?", but how do _you_ pronounce it. It doesn't matter what I think it is; because of this, people are going to think it's not clear, because it isn't completely clear, and I think it's a bad look to keep reverting people when there isn't a clear consensus and people do have a valid motivation to be unsure. If we don't know for sure (which I don't think we do), we should make that clear. I don't see why we can't just put the fact that it's unclear in the article. Tduk (talk) 11:07, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've revised the transcription and the note to include both variants and lay out what we've found. Edits/suggestions welcome. Nardog (talk) 12:15, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, that seems to present the information we have and also will have enough to show people that there is some confusion. Tduk (talk) 15:28, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
