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I don't think it should be split as that is his main source of notoriety. R. Kelly is more notable for his music than for his long series of crimes, while Epstein's notability as a financier is there it is inextricably tied up in it. The scandal is him and he is the scandal, etc. PARAKANYAA (talk) 03:06, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why has the lede image been changed from Epstein's booking-photograph from 2019? Asperthrow (talk) 13:34, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm a bit 50-50 on this. The 2019 mugshot isn't ideal, but the 1993 image isn't ideal either. Other thoughts required here.--♦IanMacM♦(talk to me) 14:01, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I changed it to the 2006 mugshot. It's the most well known photo of him in my opinion. Ccole2006 (talk) 23:27, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I support using the 2006 mugshot. Although fairly old, it gives a much clearer look at his face than the other two options from 1993 and 2019.--♦IanMacM♦(talk to me) 12:30, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
CarterLennon, are you sure the image change was appropriate? It doesn't show the subject's face particularly clearly and contains an additional person who is not the subject. I think the original was a better portrait. Anonymous 23:27, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Both of these are listed at WP:RSP, which is why they get tagged automatically as "use of deprecated (unreliable) source" in the edit history.--♦IanMacM♦(talk to me) 08:28, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The problem with this edit is that is has simply removed the two cites that were tagged as unreliable, while keeping the text the same. The statement "Epstein was known for preferring prepubescents and barely pubescents girls or looking as such at the very most, to the point of putting girls on extreme particular diets and conditions to keep them mantaining a prepuberal look and body" appears to be backed by this story in the New York Post which says "Jeffrey Epstein and his accused madam Ghislaine Maxwell put his young victims on “ridiculous,” extreme diets to maintain their “prepubescent” look, accuser Virginia Roberts Giuffre claimed." The other cites are not specifically backing this claim. Apart from being in the New York Post, the cite provides more context by saying that this is a claim made by Virginia Giuffre and does not state it as a fact. The source in The Sun also makes clear that this is a claim made by Virginia Giuffre.[1]. Despite the large number of sources added here, the specific claim about the diet comes from the New York Post and The Sun, and does not state it as a fact, only a claim by Virginia Giuffre.--♦IanMacM♦(talk to me) 10:09, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I still don't get what's your point to justify the revert of all that content. Your point is just because two sources not considered valid on this Wikipedia says the same thing that others considered reliable and valid do, this is enough to invalidate all the rest? And the undebunked testimony of one of the victims is not reliable?
You have put it straight back again even though it was pointed out that this was a claim made by Virginia Giuffre, not a proven fact. Also, the other sources are largely irrelevant WP:CITEKILL because they do not relate to the diet. This is also running into problems with due weight by putting this in the lead section without pointing out that this is simply a claim by Giuffre. I can't see why there is an obsession with adding this in the same form repeatedly after the problems were pointed out to you. This is a claim that Giuffre made in a podcast,[2] it is not really a reliable source.--♦IanMacM♦(talk to me) 11:44, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, that's why in the previous version I wrote "according to Virginia Roberts Giuffre, an alleged victim of Epstein", wasn't ok even written that way? Ratmanny (talk) 15:27, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please suggest a place to put it that isn't in the lead section. I removed it mainly because I agreed with Ianmacm's comment: it doesn't belong in the lead. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 15:32, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The problem is I don't know in what section to put it besides the lead. I mean, I could put the part of how he used to prefer his victims in the lead and the testimony of Virginia Giuffre in the Legal proceeding section but I don't know where specifically. Ratmanny (talk) 15:38, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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