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Current requests[edit]
Please add new requests at the top of the list, preferably with a link to the parent category (in case of C2C) or relevant article (in case of C2D).
- Category:Tetris (NES video game) to Category:Classic Tetris – C2D: to match Classic Tetris Nickps (talk) 01:59, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Freethought in Germany to Category:Secularism in Germany – C2F. Mason (talk) 22:08, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Boris Johnson family to Category:Family of Boris Johnson – C2B. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:17, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Chittagong Division cricketers to Category:Cricketers from Chittagong Division – C2C: - sibling categories are also "Cricketers from * Division", e.g. Category:Cricketers from Dhaka Division. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:58, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Pā to Category:Pā sites – Mea culpa (C2E). The category is for former Māori pā and their locations; many of the articles which would populate this category are historic sites which no longer have much physical evidence of their former strongholds. Grutness...wha? 17:35, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Muizzu Cabinet to Category:Cabinet of Mohamed Muizzu – C2D. Gjs238 (talk) 15:32, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Mythological cycle to Category:Mythological Cycle: 2D to match main article at Mythological Cycle. First proposed by YukaSylvie at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Category:Mythological cycle. Graham87 (talk) 12:49, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- That user had previously tagged the category but hadn't submitted a request here. Graham87 (talk) 12:54, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- It is currently listed at full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:38, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- That user had previously tagged the category but hadn't submitted a request here. Graham87 (talk) 12:54, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Buildings in San Sebastián to Category:Buildings and structures in San Sebastián – Consistency Salmoonlight (talk) 12:47, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ekaterra to Category:Lipton Teas and Infusions – In 2023, Ekaterra changed its name to Lipton Teas and Infusions. RidwanZatmiko97 (talk) 08:43, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:People in sports awarded knighthoods to Category:Sportspeople awarded knighthoods – C2B. Omnis Scientia (talk) 00:33, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Urdu-language writers from Mughal India to Category:Urdu-language writers from the Mughal Empire – C2C: parent is Writers from the Mughal Empire Mason (talk) 22:27, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Memorario to Category:Transport in Tuscany – C2F. Mason (talk) 15:09, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Lapinjärvi (municipality) to Category:Lapinjärvi – C2D. Lapinjärvi. Justarandomamerican (talk) Have a good day! 02:27, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Indian economy templates to Category:India economy templates – C2C: replace adjective with the noun similar to subcategories of Category:Economics templates by country and the category tree of Category:Templates by country. —andrybak (talk) 21:46, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:India company templates to Category:India company navigational boxes – C2C: the category consists only of navboxes. Rename for consistency with Category:India navigational boxes. —andrybak (talk) 21:41, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Chuvash topics to Category:Chuvashia – C2F. Mason (talk) 21:19, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Muslim Brotherhood women to Category:Female Muslim Brotherhood members – C2C: parent is Muslim Brotherhood members and Female Islamic religious leaders. these women are still members of the organization... Mason (talk) 20:42, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
Opposed requests[edit]
- Category:Martin J. Whitman School of Management alumni to Category:Whitman School of Management alumni – C2B; the parent category at Category:Alumni by business school in the United States shows all the business schools named by the last name and this category shows up out of place because of the Martin J. in the start. Should be ranked simply as Whitman School. Could be left as a REDIRECT page for new additions. Thanks. Kiran_891 (TALK) 15:29, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Current title is consistent with Martin J. Whitman School of Management. * Pppery * it has begun... 16:19, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Battles involving the East Frisians to Category:Battles involving East Frisia – C2C: Parent Category:History of East Frisia. NLeeuw (talk) 14:50, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, East Frisia is a region, it is not a (former) state that was a belligerent in a battle. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:16, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- They all involved the County of East Frisia or its predecessors: Saxon feud, Appeal War, Battle of Detern (predecessors Brokmerland and Auricherland), Battle of Norditi (predecessor Norderland; actually involving the Bishop of Bremen-Hamburg, so perhaps it should be Purged). All of these (except Norditi) aren't really about the East Frisians as a people without a state; these are noble/dynastic conflicts between members of reigning families such as Tom Brok, Cirksena and so on.
- On the other hand, if this isn't about a state, then we should Purge parent Category:Wars involving Frisia. NLeeuw (talk) 17:46, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, East Frisia is a region, it is not a (former) state that was a belligerent in a battle. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:16, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Cricketers from Chittagong Division to Category:Chittagong Division cricketers - merging. أبو هشام (talk) 15:12, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy; first form is the correct one and this should go to full Cfd, not speedy. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:08, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Azure Striker Gunvolt series to Category:Azure Striker Gunvolt – C2F: No need for a separate games category QuantumFoam66 (talk) 02:45, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- I do not think this is eligible under C2F and probably needs to go though a full discussion. Ymblanter (talk) 05:32, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oops I think I meant the do it other way around. Eh, both categories deserve to get deleted anyway QuantumFoam66 (talk) 20:50, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- @QuantumFoam66: better nominate them at full CfD then. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:02, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oops I think I meant the do it other way around. Eh, both categories deserve to get deleted anyway QuantumFoam66 (talk) 20:50, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- I do not think this is eligible under C2F and probably needs to go though a full discussion. Ymblanter (talk) 05:32, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
On hold pending other discussion[edit]
- None currently
Moved to full discussion[edit]
- @Yinweiaiqing: isn't "in" an odd preproposition? I'd say "under" or perhaps "during". Marcocapelle (talk) 06:15, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:23, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Yoruba Muslim leaders to Category:Yoruba Muslim clergy – C2C: parent is Muslim clergy Mason (talk) 00:59, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, not all articles in the category are about clergy. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:52, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- Move to full? Mason (talk) 12:35, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Smasongarrison: fair enough, but I would advocate "religious leaders" rather than "clergy" per the other parent category. Religious leaders is broader than clergy. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:17, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- I'd be fine with religious leaders. Mason (talk) 22:26, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- Do not we have consensus here? Ymblanter (talk) 21:05, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Ymblanter: consensus yes, but C2C does not apply because the two parent categories have different formats (clergy vs religious leaders). If this were to be speedied, it could be done per WP:IAR. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:15, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Do not we have consensus here? Ymblanter (talk) 21:05, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- I'd be fine with religious leaders. Mason (talk) 22:26, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Smasongarrison: fair enough, but I would advocate "religious leaders" rather than "clergy" per the other parent category. Religious leaders is broader than clergy. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:17, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- Move to full? Mason (talk) 12:35, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- Moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:00, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, not all articles in the category are about clergy. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:52, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Baseball players in the United States by populated place to Category:Baseball players from the United States by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:57, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Baseball players by city or town in Taiwan to Category:Baseball players from Taiwan by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:56, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Baseball players by city or town in South Korea to Category:Baseball players from South Korea by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:56, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Baseball players by city or town in Puerto Rico to Category:Baseball players from Puerto Rico by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:56, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Baseball players by city or town in Canada to Category:Baseball players from Canada by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:55, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Baseball players by city or town in Australia to Category:Baseball players from Australia by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:55, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Baseball players by city or town in Mexico to Category:Baseball players from Mexico by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:55, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- C2C to what? Oppose until clarified. Armbrust The Homunculus 15:54, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Armbrust, clarify what precisely? The split should be at the end and the recent Cfd is that "by city and town" in categories, as @Smasongarrison will note, is now "by populated place". Also, WP:C2C because the subcategories are all titled "Baseball players from...". For example, "Category:Baseball players from New York City". Its the standard form. Omnis Scientia (talk) 18:44, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- So I think part of the confusion is that there are multiple elements at play for each of the noms. Omnis it might help if you went through the noms to provide an example for each type. For just looking, I can see city or town -> populated place; moving the stems to the end, and changing people in city in COUNTRY to FOOian people. Aalthough I do agree that c2c does apply, it's a lot to unpack. Mason (talk) 20:48, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Smasongarrison, well there are two basic changes. One is moving the split to the end. The other is bringing them all to one form which is "Baseball players from Foo". I will list one from each category:
- U.S.: Category:Baseball players from New York City
- Taiwan: Category:Baseball players from Taipei
- South Korea: Category:Baseball players from Seoul
- Puerto Rico: Category:Baseball players from San Juan, Puerto Rico
- Canada: Category:Baseball players from Toronto
- Australia: Category:Baseball players from Melbourne
- Mexico: Category:Baseball players from Mexico City
- I hope this clears up any confusion. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:04, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Armbrust, would appreciate a reply so this can either go through or go to full Cfd. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:26, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- The overwhelming majority of subcategories in Category:Sportspeople by country and populated place uses the “SPORTSPLAYER by city or town in COUNTRY” format (if it’s not about a specific location) and not the one proposed above. I’m not opposed to replacing “city or town” with “populated place”, but IMO rearranging the title of the categories shouldn’t be done speedily. Armbrust The Homunculus 22:32, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Armbrust, in which case they all should change. I will wait for the opinion of @Smasongarrison though before I go through with it since split should be at the end. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:58, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, should I take this to full Cfd or does the previous Cfd on "by populated place" apply here? Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:00, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- It's in line with others changes to actors etc. But a full cfd would allow us to do them all at once. 🤷 Mason (talk) 23:18, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Omnis Scientia: the outcome of a previous CfD isn't necessarily a speedy criterion. It only counts if a clear majority of categories were tackled in that CfD. Besides, considering the amount of discussion we already had here, I would take this to full CfD anyway. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:25, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Smasongarrison, @Marcocapelle, thank you. Will do so. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:22, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- And I realize the form should actually be "Fooian sportspeople by populated place" so I can adjust accordingly there too. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:32, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- The overwhelming majority of subcategories in Category:Sportspeople by country and populated place uses the “SPORTSPLAYER by city or town in COUNTRY” format (if it’s not about a specific location) and not the one proposed above. I’m not opposed to replacing “city or town” with “populated place”, but IMO rearranging the title of the categories shouldn’t be done speedily. Armbrust The Homunculus 22:32, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Armbrust, would appreciate a reply so this can either go through or go to full Cfd. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:26, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Smasongarrison, well there are two basic changes. One is moving the split to the end. The other is bringing them all to one form which is "Baseball players from Foo". I will list one from each category:
- So I think part of the confusion is that there are multiple elements at play for each of the noms. Omnis it might help if you went through the noms to provide an example for each type. For just looking, I can see city or town -> populated place; moving the stems to the end, and changing people in city in COUNTRY to FOOian people. Aalthough I do agree that c2c does apply, it's a lot to unpack. Mason (talk) 20:48, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Armbrust, clarify what precisely? The split should be at the end and the recent Cfd is that "by city and town" in categories, as @Smasongarrison will note, is now "by populated place". Also, WP:C2C because the subcategories are all titled "Baseball players from...". For example, "Category:Baseball players from New York City". Its the standard form. Omnis Scientia (talk) 18:44, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- C2C to what? Oppose until clarified. Armbrust The Homunculus 15:54, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:United States politicians killed during the Civil War to Category:Politicians killed in the American Civil War - this new name is shorter and less ambiguous, as the category lists both Union and Confederate politicians who died in the ACW. AHI-3000 (talk) 03:10, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- Whereas the argument is compelling, I do not think this is a speedy case. Ymblanter (talk) 21:11, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- Moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:10, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Rebel princes to Category:Princely rebellions – C2D: Princely rebellion. NLeeuw (talk) 10:23, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, this is a category of princes, not so much of rebellions. Perhaps split. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:31, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Moved to full: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 9#Category:Rebel princes. NLeeuw (talk) 22:54, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Neo-Latin writers to Category:Writers in Neo-Latin – C2C: Per all child cats and per parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 01:01, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose This is not very natural language. It is inconsistent with the same level categories "Classical Latin-language writers", "Latin-language writers of late antiquity", "Medieval Latin-language writers", "Old Latin-language writers", and "Renaissance Latin-language writers".
- This is because "Neo-Latin" etc are actually styles, that are associated with a period. Jim Killock (talk) 05:42, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Latin-language writers of late antiquity to Category:Writers of late antiquity in Latin – C2C: Per all child cats and per parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 00:57, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Very clumsy sounding Jim Killock (talk) 05:44, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Classical Latin-language writers to Category:Writers in Classical Latin – C2C: Parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 00:54, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Very clumsy sounding Jim Killock (talk) 05:44, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Old Latin-language writers to Category:Writers in Old Latin – C2C: Per all child cats and per parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 00:44, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Sounds clumsy. Same Jim Killock (talk) 05:43, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Renaissance Latin-language writers to Category:Renaissance writers in Latin – C2C: Per all child cats and per parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 00:42, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Sounds weird per others Jim Killock (talk) 05:44, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Medieval Latin-language writers to Category:Medieval writers in Latin – C2C: Per all child cats and per parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 00:39, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Same Jim Killock (talk) 05:42, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Same. These sound weird. Jim Killock (talk) 05:43, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- @JimKillock The parent Category:Writers in Latin by period and grandparent Category:Writers in Latin and other related categories were all renamed by consensus last year: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 7#Category:Latin-language writers. These are just logical follow-ups to that result. The reason we went for this formula is explained at length in that nom. NLeeuw (talk) 15:49, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- But these are not "by period"; they are "by style". This especially true for Neo-Latin. The periods and styles often coincide, but not precisely. Better would be to follow the styles defined in the articles, so:
- I've explained elsewhere that the periods and styles are not precise. For instance, a writer in the Renaissance may have employed Medieval Latin, or Renaissance Latin; and some may define their Renaissance Latin as Neo-Latin. These are stylistic boundaries which roughly match period, but it is the style, not the period, that determines their classifications. Jim Killock (talk) 19:50, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- @JimKillock I know. Category:14th-century Neo-Latin writers were a thing; it's good that you created that category. But I don't see how it would create a problem if we renamed it Category:14th-century writers in Neo-Latin. If anything, it is even clearer that "14th-century" refers to "writers" and not to "Neo-Latin", so that we shouldn't assume that the kind of Latin they wrote was Medieval Latin. This is all the more reason in favour of renaming, so that our readers understand the difference between style and period. NLeeuw (talk) 14:03, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- The issue is that the whole category structure is used to amalgamate and conflate these two ideas. I don't have an easy solution to it, that doesn't involve some work. It's reasonable to say that a C12th Medieval Latin writer used Medieval Latin, or a C20th writer uses Neo-Latin. Boundary centuries seem debateable. However, the structure makes an absolute assumption, that century and style are the same, except where I started to break it up. This has come up in two recent discussions, the other being when someone wanted to remove my boundary category. But it's clear that the intention was that Category:Classical Latin-language writers should contain Classical Latin writers, ie be a style category, not a time category. Likewise, Late Latin and Neo-Latin. There can be doubt about medieval Latin because of it seems to refer to a period rather than a style; however as it is a set of style categories we should assume it is about style, likewise for Renaissance Latin. The fact that the categories group information from centuries is a laziness, nothing more. In short it is a mess but it is only made worse by changing the names to appear to refer to time periods, some of which don't really exist (Classical Latin isn't a time, nor is Latin Latin, nor is Neo-Latin).
- Category:Writers in Classical Latin; Category:Writers in Neo-Latin - these all refer to a style; they are acceptable from that perspective, but they sounds strange / clumsy to my ear; the natural way to say is Category:Classical Latin writers, Category:Neo-Latin writers, or as close to that as WP allows.
- Taking one example to show why the suggested formulation can sound wrong. Category:Writers in Old Latin; Old Latin is recognised as a phase of Latin, rather than a "style" of Latin, so a bit different, but it functions the same. It is like Old English, not quite the same as Modern English. So, "writers in Old Latin" doesn't work because You [verb] in [language]; you don't [person] in [language]. It is either People writing in Old Latin or Old Latin writers. So Category:Old Latin writers sounds better, another option would be Category:Writers using Old Latin.
- Category:Renaissance writers in Latin; Category:Medieval writers in Latin - refer to a time period and remove the style names. These would need to be Category:Writers in Renaissance Latin; Category:Writers in Medieval Latin. This is not great English, most natural would be Category:Medieval Latin writers, Category: Renaissance Latin writers
- So there seems to be some inconsistency of approach in the current suggestion, as well as a somewhat clumsy use of "in" that isn't needed.
- It has taken me some time to pinpoint the issue with "in"; but I think it is because language can be either a noun or an adjective. When it is a style, describing how someone writes, "Classical Latin" etc, is an adjective. If "Classical Latin" is an adjective, then "in" shouldn't be used. If "Classical Latin" is a noun, as with "Classical Latin" the topic then "in" is possible, eg "Grammar in Classical Latin", or "They write in Classical Latin". As an adjective, it works as "Classical Latin writers". --Jim Killock (talk) 00:59, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- I suppose this will have to be moved to full then... NLeeuw (talk) 13:42, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- Moved to full: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 30#Category:Neo-Latin writers. NLeeuw (talk) 17:40, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
- I suppose this will have to be moved to full then... NLeeuw (talk) 13:42, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- @JimKillock I know. Category:14th-century Neo-Latin writers were a thing; it's good that you created that category. But I don't see how it would create a problem if we renamed it Category:14th-century writers in Neo-Latin. If anything, it is even clearer that "14th-century" refers to "writers" and not to "Neo-Latin", so that we shouldn't assume that the kind of Latin they wrote was Medieval Latin. This is all the more reason in favour of renaming, so that our readers understand the difference between style and period. NLeeuw (talk) 14:03, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- @JimKillock The parent Category:Writers in Latin by period and grandparent Category:Writers in Latin and other related categories were all renamed by consensus last year: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 7#Category:Latin-language writers. These are just logical follow-ups to that result. The reason we went for this formula is explained at length in that nom. NLeeuw (talk) 15:49, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Scholars of Mycenaean Greek to Category:Linguists of Mycenaean Greek – C2C: Uncles/aunts in Category:Linguists by language of study are all named
Linguists of Fooian
. NLeeuw (talk) 20:47, 3 April 2024 (UTC) - Category:Scholars of Medieval Greek to Category:Linguists of Medieval Greek – C2C: Uncles/aunts in Category:Linguists by language of study are all named
Linguists of Fooian
. NLeeuw (talk) 20:46, 3 April 2024 (UTC) - Category:Scholars of Koine Greek to Category:Linguists of Koine Greek – C2C: Uncles/aunts in Category:Linguists by language of study are all named
Linguists of Fooian
. NLeeuw (talk) 20:46, 3 April 2024 (UTC) - Category:Scholars of Ancient Greek to Category:Linguists of Ancient Greek – C2C: Uncles/aunts in Category:Linguists by language of study are all named
Linguists of Fooian
. NLeeuw (talk) 20:45, 3 April 2024 (UTC) - Category:Scholars of Greek language to Category:Linguists of Greek – C2C: Siblings in Category:Linguists by language of study are all named
Linguists of Fooian
. NLeeuw (talk) 20:44, 3 April 2024 (UTC)- Comment Nederlandse Leeuw, I don't think the categories for Scholars of Greek are suitable for speedy renaming as the categories contain a mixture of scholars of Greek language and literature. Also Latin is the other classical language and there is no Category:Linguists of Latin. TSventon (talk) 22:21, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- @TSventon I discussed thus with @Fayenatic london in another thread (about Category:Grammarians of Persian), he thought it was a good idea. It's virtually impossible to study the literature of a language without also studying the language itself. (I've been studying Old East Slavic as an amateur lately, because I want to write about Rus' chronicles on Wikipedia). Also, Category:Latinists exists; it currently serves the same function as a Category:Linguists of Latin would. NLeeuw (talk) 02:50, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Nederlandse Leeuw, I have looked at the content of the categories and am suggesting that these categories are not suitable for speedy renaming. I am happy for the CfD admins to accept or reject my argument. Studying the literature of a language generally involves studying the language itself, but some academics focus more on literature and others on liguistic topics and this is reflected in our categories. Category:Latinists exists and has a Greek counterpart, Category:Hellenists. TSventon (talk) 14:21, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Okay. I'm not convinced this makes them unsuitable for speedy renaming, but we'll see. Otherwise I'm happy to move to full, although I think it's unnecessary. NLeeuw (talk) 14:24, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- I think this kind of discussion is better held at a full CfD than here. Ymblanter (talk) 19:43, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Moved to full: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 22#Category:Scholars of Greek language. NLeeuw (talk) 10:06, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- I think this kind of discussion is better held at a full CfD than here. Ymblanter (talk) 19:43, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Okay. I'm not convinced this makes them unsuitable for speedy renaming, but we'll see. Otherwise I'm happy to move to full, although I think it's unnecessary. NLeeuw (talk) 14:24, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Nederlandse Leeuw, I have looked at the content of the categories and am suggesting that these categories are not suitable for speedy renaming. I am happy for the CfD admins to accept or reject my argument. Studying the literature of a language generally involves studying the language itself, but some academics focus more on literature and others on liguistic topics and this is reflected in our categories. Category:Latinists exists and has a Greek counterpart, Category:Hellenists. TSventon (talk) 14:21, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- @TSventon I discussed thus with @Fayenatic london in another thread (about Category:Grammarians of Persian), he thought it was a good idea. It's virtually impossible to study the literature of a language without also studying the language itself. (I've been studying Old East Slavic as an amateur lately, because I want to write about Rus' chronicles on Wikipedia). Also, Category:Latinists exists; it currently serves the same function as a Category:Linguists of Latin would. NLeeuw (talk) 02:50, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Nederlandse Leeuw, I don't think the categories for Scholars of Greek are suitable for speedy renaming as the categories contain a mixture of scholars of Greek language and literature. Also Latin is the other classical language and there is no Category:Linguists of Latin. TSventon (talk) 22:21, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
PLEASE NOTE: I have moved all of the following Categories here pending adequate confirmation of their eligibility under C2C. I made a serious effort to look for that, but was unable to find such confirmation. There is a massive jumbled welter of Categories in this realm, with no prevailing pattern that I can discern. Anomalous+0 (talk) 07:16, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Anomalous+0, I have linked Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 December 10#Container categories by descent down below; is that not enough? 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:02, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Canadian musicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Canadian musicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:10, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Canadian people by ethnic or national origin and century to Category:Canadian people by descent and century – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:09, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Romanian people by ethnic or national origin and occupation to Category:Romanian people by descent and occupation – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:09, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Northern Mariana Islands people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Northern Mariana Islands people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:09, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Malaysian politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Malaysian politicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:07, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:French politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:French politicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:07, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Dutch politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Dutch politicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:07, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Transnistrian people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Transnistrian people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:07, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Filipino politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Filipino politicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:06, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Moldovan politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Moldovan politicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:06, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Cebuano people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Cebuano people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:06, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Indonesian politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Indonesian politicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:05, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Romanian politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Romanian politicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:03, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Canadian writers by ethnic or national origin to Category:Canadian writers by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:01, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Canadian families by ethnic or national origin to Category:Canadian families by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:00, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:British writers by ethnic or national origin to Category:British writers by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:55, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose for now to all by ethnic or national origin nominations. 46.229.243.187 (talk) 08:35, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- The existing wording sounds more natural and is easier to understand. 46.229.243.187 (talk) 14:34, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Moved to full discussion:
- Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_March_30#Category:English_people_by_ethnic_or_national_origin
- Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_April_9#Category:Swedish_politicians_by_ethnic_or_national_origin
- Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_April_27#British_people_by_descent
- Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_May_6#Actors_by_ethnicity
- Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_May_7#People_from_British_Overseas_Territories_and_Crown_Dependencies_by_ethnic_or_national_origin
- Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_May_8#People_from_Overseas_France_by_ethnic_or_national_origin
- Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_May_9#Caribbean_people_by_descent
- Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_May_17#Category:Romanian_people_by_ethnic_or_national_origin_and_occupation
- Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_May_17#Category:Northern_Mariana_Islands_people_by_ethnic_or_national_origin
- Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_May_17#Category:East_German_people_by_ethnic_or_national_origin
- Marcocapelle (talk) 06:53, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- Except in the United States, the "by descent" format seems to be standard everywhere. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:16, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
Current discussions[edit]
May 28[edit]
NEW NOMINATIONS[edit]
Category:Broadway restaurateurs[edit]
- Propose splitting Category:Broadway restaurateurs to Category:Businesspeople from Manhattan and Category:American restaurateurs
- Nominator's rationale: Dual merge. This is a WP:OCNARROW Mason (talk) 02:48, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Wikipedia formatting and function templates[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: From the hatnote,
If you do not find what you are looking for in here, try the parent category Category:Wikipedia utility templates or one of its other subcategories. The distinction between these categories is unclear, and this one may need to up-merge.
Either they need to merge (which is probably the easiest), or we need to come up with a clear distinction between the two (which will be a pain to put into effect, unless there is some preexisting distinction that is not clear to me). HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 02:12, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Executed Nazi propagandists[edit]
- Propose splitting Category:Executed Nazi propagandists to Category:Nazi propagandists and Category:Executed Nazis
- Nominator's rationale: Dual merge. Non-defining intersection between occupation + political orientation + cause of death. Mason (talk) 00:50, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
May 27[edit]
Category:17th-century executions by the Province of New York[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge. There's no need to have a category like this with just a single person in it. Mason (talk) 23:39, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Women prime ministers of Finland[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Merge per WP:NARROWCAT. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:38, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Women prime ministers of the United Kingdom[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Merge per WP:NARROWCAT. Category is already in appropriate subcats of Category:Prime ministers of the United Kingdom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:37, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Also merge with Category:Women prime ministers in Europe. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:39, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Cautiously, this category does already have three entries, and it would be an awkward judgement that we are unlikely to have another female PM soon. PatGallacher (talk) 23:45, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- @PatGallacher, not saying there won't be, just that the category's scope is too narrow. Omnis Scientia (talk) 00:42, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:NRISref errors[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: No longer useful to Template:NRISref. This was a tracking category that would track for uses without a database version, but those are not a thing anymore. New NRHP sites do not have this. See Template talk:NRISref#Template-protected edit request on 27 May 2024. SWinxy (talk) 23:28, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Wikipedia sockpuppets of MyrtaBeautyQueen[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: An older sockmaster was discovered after this category was created. It is helpful to have all the socks in one category for understanding and analyzing long-term abuse. ☆ Bri (talk) 22:13, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I will drop a note at WT:SPI.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 22:24, 27 May 2024 (UTC)- Support this does not appear controversial, surely it should be nodded through? 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 22:30, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Caucasus Jews[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: There are two Jewish ethnic groups originating from the Caucasus region: Mountain Jews and Georgian Jews. The term Caucasus Jews currently redirects to "Mountain Jews." These two groups are culturally distinct; they speak different languages and have many differences in customs and culture. However, other Jewish communities have also resided and continue to reside in the Caucasus region, including primarily Ashkenazi Jews, as well as some Sephardic and Bukharan Jews. Therefore, this category does not make sense. Currently, this category encompasses Jews from three modern countries, yet "Caucasus Jews" redirects to "Mountain Jews." Note: I have just separated the entries for category:Jews from Georgia (country) and category:Georgian Jews. Aldij (talk) 11:56, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- If not deleted, rename to Category:Jews in the Caucasus to clarify its purpose. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:55, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- If not kept, disambiguate including Category:Mountain Jews and category:Georgian Jews. Surprisingly, these are not within Category:Peoples of the Caucasus. – Fayenatic London 21:36, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- That was my mistake; I have already corrected it by adding Category:Peoples of the Caucasus. However, I did not understand your proposal for disambiguation. Category:Mountain Jews and Category:Georgian Jews represent separate ethnic groups, while the current Category:Armenian Jews, Category:Azerbaijani Jews and Category:Jews from Georgia (country) merely denote Jews by nationality. Additionally, the term "Caucasus Jews" redirects to Mountain Jews, which implicitly suggests that it is the primary topic. Aldij (talk) 14:07, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 14:47, 15 May 2024 (UTC)- Oppose The category is fine. I would also be okay with it being named something like Category:Jews in the Caucasus or "from the Caucasus", which would include subcategories for Armenian Jews, Azerbaijani Jews, Georgian Jews, Mountain Jews, and Jews from the Caucasian parts of Russia. The parent category for this should be Category:Jews and Judaism in the Caucasus, along the lines of Category:Islam in the Caucasus. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 13:55, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose as the nominator's reasoning is convoluted. The problem lies with an editor who has messed with the two topics "Caucasus Jews" and "Mountain Jews" and not with this category which remains valid, and yes Caucasus Jews spreads over a few countries/regions and ethnicities/people. IZAK (talk) 03:11, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Marcocapelle, Fayenatic, Bohemian Baltimore, IZAK: OK, then I propose renaming this category to Category:Jews from the Caucasus, and linking it with {{category see also}} to Category:Mountain Jews. Category:Georgian Jews is already linked with {{category see also}} to Category:Jews from Georgia (country). --Aldij (talk) 08:40, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on the updated proposal?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 22:20, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Secularism in the Arab world[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Secularism in the Arab world to Category:Secularism in the Middle East
- Nominator's rationale: I know that technically these are different regions, but... these categories overlap so healvy I think we should merge them. Mason (talk) 22:11, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Members of the League of Women Voters[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Members of the League of Women Voters to Category:American suffragists
- Nominator's rationale: Simple membership in the League of Women Voters is non-defining. User:Namiba 15:29, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Many siblings contain (just) activists, which is much more defining than membership. We might rename and purge this one as well. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:44, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Former Ikawa Line Stations[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary, sparsely populated category. Only one other such subcategory in Category:Defunct railway stations in Japan and it contains 22 articles. Gjs238 (talk) 15:03, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Merging is not necessary, the articles are already in Category:Railway stations in Japan closed in 1990. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:49, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Women conservationists[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: A non-notable intersection of gender and occupation. User:Namiba 14:22, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Sort the rules out Wikipedia's policy on this is far from clear. Category deletion should be based on a clearly agreed set of rules and until then such categories should be left alone. Why is a "Female United States senators" category OK when "women conservationists" is not. I can assure you that to become a conservationist in PNG is for a women in PNG a considerable achievement and far from "non-notable". Roundtheworld (talk) 20:32, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, trivial intersection with gender. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:53, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:People by educational institution in Surrey[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Dual merge; only one category layer. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:16, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Executed people from Surrey[edit]
- Propose splitting Category:Executed people from Surrey to Category:People from Surrey and Category:Executed English people
- Nominator's rationale: Dual merge; only one article. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:14, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Wikipedians with Asperger syndrome[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Wikipedians with Asperger syndrome to Category:Autistic Wikipedians
- Nominator's rationale: Merge with parent category. Asperger's syndrome is no longer an official diagnosis so there shouldn't be a category suggesting it is either. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:35, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, the categories should be merged. Jarble (talk) 14:40, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I find it mildly licentious (maybe?) to request a merge of this Category, when the two main articles that are the subject matter of this proposal, namely Asperger syndrome and Autism, are currently being Considered for Merger with
nounanimous clear consensusreachedagainst the adoption of said merge proposal. - However, if I am wrong (entirely possible) and this proposal is not precipitate in view of the on-going discussion mentioned further above, then I Oppose, since not all countries have adopted ICD-11, and it continues to be an official diagnosis in some jurisdictions. There is also the possibility that some people might, for whatever personal reasons, identify more with the Asperger’s label than they do with Autism. We should not be taking away a notably significant and not-yet-historic diagnosis because of ICD-11. -Konanen (talk) 22:49, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Konanen, I didn't know about the merger and I would be against it myself since the scope of articles and categories are very different. Categories have a more stricter rules. From everything on the matter, Asperger's is no longer an official diagnosis. I wouldn't have taken the step if I wasn't sure. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:20, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Films with scents[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Films with scents to Category:Olfactory art
- Nominator's rationale: WP:NARROWCAT. Removed three entries where this was non-defining, leaving just the two films and the general topic (which isn't itself a film so maybe shouldn't be in here as an entry; perhaps {{catseealso}} would've made more sense). QuietHere (talk | contributions) 08:34, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I disagree that it's not defining on Postcard from Earth, where the 4-D aspect of the film is discussed substantially. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 10:52, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- The article only mentions the scent once in the lead and says nothing substantial about it in particular. If there's more to be written about that aspect then it should be added, at which point I would reconsider the category placement. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 17:39, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Autonomous oblasts of Russia[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: There is only one Autonomous oblast of Russia — the Jewish Autonomous Oblast. No need to have this category, which only has said page and two redirects, when Jewish Autonomous Oblast could be categorized under the cat Federal subjects of Russia. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 08:23, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge with Category:Federal subjects of Russia. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:32, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Indian novelists by language[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Are these four subcategories supposed to be for ethnic groups or languages? Either way, these people are not necessarily Indian nationals. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 05:34, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Merging is not necessary, the subcategories are already in Category:Novelists by language and the articles are in Category:Indian novelists. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:45, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Former universities and colleges of Jesuits[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: The current name is not only awkward and not parallel to the name of the related category for current Jesuit institutions ("Jesuit universities and colleges") but its meaning is also unclear. ElKevbo (talk) 18:44, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- If someone has a (legitimate) concern that "Former Jesuit" is also ambiguous - does it mean "a university or college that was once a Jesuit institution but is no longer a Jesuit institution" or "a Jesuit university or college that is now closed" ? - then "Formerly Jesuit universities and colleges" would resolve that ambiguity. The category does currently include institutions in both of those situations so this may be important. ElKevbo (talk) 20:00, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- It is ambiguous in any case and the distinction between current and former Jesuit is also not enormously important. Manually merge to Category:Jesuit universities and colleges insofar the articles aren't already in country subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:27, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: Can you please say more about "the distinction between current and former Jesuit is also not enormously important." In my mind, it's a very important distinction as it indicates a very important shift in the institution's mission, organization, and support. ElKevbo (talk) 03:43, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- Every university or college will eventually be closed or taken over. The category is primarily useful to learn about the history of the Jesuits. Category:Universities and colleges established by Jesuits would be a better name except it is rather long. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:15, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- That's an entirely different subject and you're welcome to establish that category if you feel strongly about it but it doesn't seem terribly relevant to the discussion at hand. And I completely disagree that "the category is primarily useful to learn about the history of the Jesuits" as its primary use is to identify colleges and universities who are identified with that particular religious order. It's less about the history of that order and more about the intended function and role of these colleges and universities.
- "Every university or college will eventually be closed or taken over" doesn't seem like a very helpful or productive perspective at all. Every religion will eventually fade into disuse or change until it's unrecognizable. The sun will eventually explore destroying all life and structure on the planet. The universe will eventually fade into heat death. None of that is very useful when considering what we should or should not do here and now in this encyclopedia. ElKevbo (talk) 15:50, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: Can you please say more about "the distinction between current and former Jesuit is also not enormously important." In my mind, it's a very important distinction as it indicates a very important shift in the institution's mission, organization, and support. ElKevbo (talk) 03:43, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:People educated at Coláiste an Phiarsaigh[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Unneeded category - Only 2 entries which I've added to the school article, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 15:09, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose: a list on a single article is no reason to reject a category accomplishing the same task in a different area of the site. Plus, there are now twice as many entries as there were at time of proposal. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 20:38, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Lean to delete, attandence of a particular secondary school is not a very defining characteristic of an individual person. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:52, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- Please see my reply to Peter James here, I guess this can be withdrawn although for the record I'm not happy about it nor do I see a point in having duplicate information... But if EN wants duplicate information for the sake of having duplicate information then who am I to get in the way of that. –Davey2010Talk 10:05, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Categories are not superseded by lists. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:54, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:People educated at De La Salle College Dundalk[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Superseded by the same list at De La Salle College Dundalk#Notable alumni, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 15:19, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose: a list on a single article is no reason to reject a category accomplishing the same task in a different area of the site. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 20:36, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Lean to delete, attandence of a particular secondary school is not a very defining characteristic of an individual person. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:52, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- Please see my reply to Peter James here, I guess this can be withdrawn although for the record I'm not happy about it nor do I see a point in having duplicate information... But if EN wants duplicate information for the sake of having duplicate information then who am I to get in the way of that. –Davey2010Talk 10:05, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Categories are not superseded by lists. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:54, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:People educated at Alcester Grammar School[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Superseded by the list at Alcester Grammar School#Notable alumni, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 15:45, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose: a list on a single article is no reason to reject a category accomplishing the same task in a different area of the site. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 20:36, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Why would we want duplicating information though ?, Why do we need an under-populated category when a list within an article does the same job ?, Also do you have any sort of link that explicitly states duplicating information is fine because if you do I'd happily close this. –Davey2010Talk 00:16, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose: a list on a single article is no reason to reject a category accomplishing the same task in a different area of the site. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 20:36, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- Lean to delete, attandence of a particular secondary school is not a very defining characteristic of an individual person. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:51, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- There are thousands of such categories. Deleting one makes no sense. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:53, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Wikipedia:Categories, lists, and navigation templates#Overlapping categories, lists and navigation templates are not considered duplicative. There are thousands of these in Category:Alumni by secondary school. If they are not defining then all should be deleted. Peter James (talk) 20:04, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- I guess this is one of those things I will never understand, How is a duplicate category "complimentary" when it's literally a duplicate??, Why do we need 2 things of the same thing ?, what is achieved or what is the end goal in having 2 of the same thing ?, I don't get it I truly don't.
- Nonetheless Wikipedia:Categories, lists, and navigation templates#Overlapping categories, lists and navigation templates are not considered duplicative renders my whole arguement moot so I guess my only option here is to withdraw, Thank you for providing that guideline it's greatly appreciated, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 10:01, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Categories are not superseded by lists. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:53, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Racionais MC's songs[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Newly created 1-article category. Gjs238 (talk) 02:00, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: WP:SMALLCAT (deprecated, but still worth pointing to here as I don't think opinions have changed on this part) makes an exception for Category:Works by creator categories so long as they follow other guidelines, and this one does. Unless the sole entry is itself found deletable (and I have a feeling it wouldn't be) then the category is safe. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 08:40, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Relational art[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: New category containing only 2 redirects. Gjs238 (talk) 01:58, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, this does not help navigation at all. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:50, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Neither entry makes mention of relational art as a subject, and the relational art article doesn't mention either entry nor their targets, leaving it entirely unclear why they are being included in the first place. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 08:42, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Denis Ten Memorial Challenge templates[edit]
- Delete in the spirit of WP:C2F. The content is already in Category:Figure skating championships navigational boxes. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:51, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:European Youth Olympic Festival Figure Skating templates[edit]
- Delete, the templates are already in established figure skating categories and having just two templates in a new category isn't particularly helpful. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:56, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Nepela Memorial[edit]
- If not deleted, at least rename to Category:Nepela Memorial navigational boxes. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:58, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Post-theists[edit]
- Delete, not a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:59, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:13th-century Baduspanid rulers[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:13th-century Bavandid rulers to Category:Bavand dynasty and Category:13th-century Iranian rulers
- Propose merging Category:13th-century Baduspanid rulers to Category:Baduspanids and Category:13th-century Iranian rulers
- Propose renaming Category:14th-century Bavandid rulers to Category:Bavand dynasty and Category:14th-century Iranian rulers
- Propose merging Category:14th-century Baduspanid rulers to Category:Baduspanids and Category:14th-century Iranian rulers
- Nominator's rationale: I don't think we need to diffuse Bavand or Baduspanid dynasty by century. Instead I think we should repurpose it to be a nationality category. Mason (talk) 20:57, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- If not kept, better merge them to existing categories rather than establishing a new tree with only two subcategories. The merge targets (next to the dynasty) would be Category:13th-century monarchs in the Middle East and Category:13th-century Iranian people and likewise for the 14th century. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:29, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
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- But why? Both dynasties almost lasted 1000 years and had many rulers. --HistoryofIran (talk) 01:28, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Fanny (band)[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Too little content: only two cats and two articles (and the two cats only have 4 or 6 articles themselves). ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:12, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Nepali language movement activists[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Nepali language movement activists to Category:Nepali language activists
- Nominator's rationale: Overlapping categories. Rervse merge also fine by me Mason (talk) 20:21, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- They are not exactly overlapping, one is a category of Indian people, the other of Nepalese people. The former is related to the Nepali language movement which was a movement specifically in India. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:39, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Images that survived replaceability discussions[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: The category is for all types of files (including e.g. videos), not just images. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 00:26, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Mythological cycle[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Mythological cycle to Category:Mythological Cycle
- Nominator's rationale: The Mythological Cycle is a proper noun and should be capitalized. --YukaSylvie (talk) 23:50, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Urdu-language historical novelists[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Urdu-language historical novelists to Category:Urdu-language novelists
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. There's no other language categories for this genre of novelists. The two category members are already in historical novelists for their nationality. Mason (talk) 23:27, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. No other language category for novelists is subdivided by genre. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 05:31, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Urdu-language fiction writers[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Urdu-language fiction writers to Category:Urdu-language writers
- Nominator's rationale: Per the parent Category:Fiction writers Fiction writers is "intended as a parent for more specific subcategories only; writers should not be filed directly in this category. Please reclassify writers found here into more specific categories by their country of origin and/or type of fiction (novelists, short story writers, etc.)" I interpret this to mean that we shouldn't have a category dedicated to fiction writers for a specific language. (And notably the only category of Fiction writers like this) Mason (talk) 23:24, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:06, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Youth activists[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Youth activists to Category:Child activists
- Nominator's rationale: I think we should just merge these two categories, they're both extremely similar with the defining feature being that the activist is notable for being young. Mason (talk) 20:26, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom or reverse merge per article title Youth activism. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:32, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I will tag Category:Child activists.
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Category:Paintings of Hebrew Bible themes[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: merge, a split between Hebrew Bible and Old Testament does not make too much sense in biblical art which largely originates from Christianity. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:40, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, but Upmerge & redirect Category:Paintings based on the Old Testament to its parents per Fayenatic london. NLeeuw (talk) 18:35, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- It is not a "main" tree per se. Old Testament is different (order of bible books), broader (with deuterocanonical books) and more applicable to topics that are more exclusively associated with Christianity. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:58, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Whether deuterocanonical books are included depends entirely on denomination. "Hebrew Bible" is the name for the 39 books common to Judaism and Christianity, and I see no reason why Christianity should be regarded as more important.
- On second thought, it might be better to upmerge Category:Paintings based on the Old Testament to its parents, as it is currently a mostly redundant layer. How does that sound? NLeeuw (talk) 22:19, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Re "
Whether deuterocanonical books are included depends entirely on denomination
", as things stand the "deuterocanonical books" category is within the "Old Testament" one, so isn't this an argument against the status quo as well? But it's resolved if Category:Paintings based on the Old Testament is upmerged to its parents, leaving the subdivisions of the (Christian) Bible as "Hebrew Bible", "deuterocanonical books" and "New Testament" – with no "Old Testament"? I hope I've got that right. Ham II (talk) 16:50, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Re "
- It is not a "main" tree per se. Old Testament is different (order of bible books), broader (with deuterocanonical books) and more applicable to topics that are more exclusively associated with Christianity. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:58, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, but Upmerge & redirect parent Category:Paintings based on the Old Testament (now tagged). There is a Paintings tree within the Art tree, and there is a Hebrew Bible tree within the Old Testament tree. However, I have just removed Choir of San Lorenzo from Category:Paintings based on the Old Testament (as it seemed mistaken or unjustified), leaving only the subcats Paintings of Hebrew Bible themes and Paintings of people in the deuterocanonical books, so there is little justification for keeping that layer at present. – Fayenatic London 12:53, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- In fact, having a gap for OT in that layer (paintings by theme) would be consistent with the hierarchy for paintings of people – we have Category:Paintings of Hebrew Bible people but not Category:Paintings of Old Testament people. – Fayenatic London 14:06, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Disclosure: I have just created Category:Hebrew Bible themes in art, which I judged to be a worthwhile and missing category. – Fayenatic London 12:53, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Analysis Ok, I worked it out on paper (I wish I could easily show how I worked it out on paper, but that would require a lot of effort using Template:Tree chart or something). The whole category tree from Category:Biblical art downwards is a mess, with the "Hebrew Bible" art tree and "Old Testament" art tree frequently entangled and mixed up. There are many redundant layers and "incestuous" connections (such as Category:Hebrew Bible themes in art being both a sibling and a child of Category:Old Testament themes in art), while Category:Hebrew Bible people in art and Category:Paintings of Hebrew Bible themes are siblings (children of Category:Hebrew Bible themes in art), as well as partners who procreated the child Category:Paintings of Hebrew Bible people. (Truly a biblical phenomenon?). However, before we start blaming the "Hebrew Bible" art tree for ****ing things up, it is really the "Old Testament" art tree that messes around in making most of these connections, as it is trying to be the parent of the "deuterocanonical books" art tree as well as "Hebrew Bible" art tree.
- The problem is one of semantics: what is meant by "Old Testament" is dependent on religious tradition. As I said above,
Whether deuterocanonical books are included depends entirely on denomination
. This is best illustrated by Old Testament#Content: the Hebrew Bible (Tanakh) (24 books) corresponds exactly with the Protestant Old Testament (39 books; same contents, just split into more books), but the Catholic Old Testament (46 books) adds 7 deuterocanonical books, and the Orthodox Old Testament (49 books) adds 10 deuterocanonical books. Therefore, arguably the "Old Testament" tree (at least when it comes to Biblical art) is a WP:POV-based WP:ARBITRARYCAT, which presumes that Roman Catholicism / Eastern Orthodoxy are theologically "correct", and that Protestantism and Judaism are theologically "wrong". Obviously, this is not a POV Wikipedia can adopt. The simplest and most elegant solution is to phase out the "Old Testament" art tree wherever it is an unhelpful WP:OVERLAPCAT or WP:NARROWCAT, and have an independent "deuterocanonical books" art tree that is a direct child of Category:Biblical art, separate from "Hebrew Bible" art. Template:Hebrew Bible category (widely used in the "Hebrew Bible" tree) already suggests such an approach; although that might itself suggest a "Jewish/Protestant" POV, it is one informed by pragmatism in categorisation. - On closer inspection, it appears Fayenatic and I completely agree, and we are suggesting the same initial steps towards solving the problem. But more is necessary to fix the entire problem. Just phasing out "Old Testament" is not enough. As I suggested, "Hebrew Bible" needs to be Purged of "incestuous" parent/sibling/child categorisation, and "deuterocanonical books" needs a separate, independent tree directly under Category:Biblical art in order to fully disentangle this mess. Good day, and hopefully my commentary is helpful to you all. NLeeuw (talk) 18:30, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
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Template:Bhutan-tv-stub[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Unused stub template. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:27, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to parent (Category:Bhutan stubs) per standard WPSS practice. Grutness...wha? 03:59, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Grutness: when you say
redirect
, do you meankeep the template but have it populate Category:Bhutan stubs
? (This also applies to other nominations on this page; I am arbitrarily picking one rather than pinging you a bunch of times.) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 23:16, 24 May 2024 (UTC)- Yes, exactly. That's standard stubbing practice. If the template is there, then it can still be used, it just doesn't need a category. It's the categories which should be nominated for deletion, not the templates. Stub templates are quite often either left unused, emptied, or simply used to fill a parent category. Grutness...wha? 04:52, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
Great, thanks for confirming. Just wanted to make sure you weren't asking for a literal redirect (in this case, replacing {{bhutan-tv-stub}} with
#REDIRECT Category:Bhutan stubs
).@LaundryPizza03: does this work for you? HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 15:55, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, exactly. That's standard stubbing practice. If the template is there, then it can still be used, it just doesn't need a category. It's the categories which should be nominated for deletion, not the templates. Stub templates are quite often either left unused, emptied, or simply used to fill a parent category. Grutness...wha? 04:52, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Grutness: when you say
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I will tag Category:Bhutanese television stubs.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 20:20, 26 May 2024 (UTC)- I think the merge outcome is more convenient, even though we have zero articles about Bhutanese TV programs. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 05:02, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Template:India-cricket-season-stub[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Unused stub template. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:30, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to parent (Category:Cricket season stubs) per standard WPSS practice. Grutness...wha? 03:59, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: I will tag Category:Indian cricket season stubs.
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Template:2020s-Western-film-stub[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Unused stub template –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:25, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to parent (Category:Western (genre) film stubs) per standard WPSS practice. Grutness...wha? 03:59, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I will tag Category:2020s Western (genre) film stubs.
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Template:1960s-Tamil-film-stub[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Unused stub template. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:24, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to parent (Category:Tamil-language film stubs) per standard WPSS practice. In many of today's nominations, it looks like there is serious undersorting of stubs rather than an actual lack of need for their use. Grutness...wha? 03:59, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: I will tag Category:1960s Tamil-language film stubs.
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Template:New Zealand-cricket-ground-stub[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Unused stub template. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:36, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to parent (Category:New Zealand sports venue stubs) per standard WPSS practice. Grutness...wha? 03:59, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: I will tag Category:New Zealand cricket ground stubs.
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Religion in China[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Religion in Qing dynasty to Category:Religion under the Qing dynasty
- Propose renaming Category:Religion in the Ming dynasty to Category:Religion under the Ming dynasty
- Propose renaming Category:Religion in the Shang dynasty to Category:Religion under the Shang dynasty
- Propose renaming Category:Religion in the Song dynasty to Category:Religion under the Song dynasty
- Nominator's rationale: rename, "in" is an odd preproposition in relation to a dynasty, "under" or "during" makes more sense. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:33, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
Template:1950s-UK-single-stub[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Unused stub template –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:22, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to parent (Category:British single stubs) per standard WPSS practice. In many of today's nominations, it looks like there is serious undersorting of stubs rather than an actual lack of need for their use. Grutness...wha? 03:45, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I will tag Category:1950s British single stubs.
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Template:Uruguay-cemetery-stub[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Unused stub template. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:39, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to parents (Category:Uruguay geography stubs and Category:Cemetery stubs) per standard WPSS practice. Grutness...wha? 03:59, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I will tag Category:Uruguay cemetery stubs.
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Template:WashingtonCountyID-geo-stub[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Unused stub template. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:39, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to parent (Category:Idaho geography stubs) per standard WPSS practice. Grutness...wha? 03:59, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep; Generically, it would be great to eliminate unused stub classes, but:
- 1) it would be the ONLY county without the category
- 2) There are some articles that are weak "Starts" that are in there.
- 3) There should remain a "place" to put new stubs when needed.
- Mjquinn_id (talk) 13:00, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I will tag Category:Washington County, Idaho geography stubs.
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Template:WestIndies-cricket-season-stub[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Unused stub template. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:39, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to parent (Category:Cricket season stubs) per standard WPSS practice. Grutness...wha? 03:59, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I will tag Category:West Indies cricket season stubs.
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Template:Wisconsin-road-stub[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Unused stub template. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:40, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to parent (Category:Midwestern United States road stubs) per standard WPSS practice. Grutness...wha? 03:59, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect per above. --JackFromWisconsin (talk | contribs) 16:16, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: I will tag Category:Wisconsin road stubs.
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Category:North American sports venue stubs[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Only contents are a stub template that does not populate the category. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:37, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Should contain Category:United States sports venue stubs, Category:Canadian sports venue stubs, {{Mexican... as a parent only category. Stub template should be deleted. Grutness...wha? 03:59, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on Grutness's proposal?
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Executed French people[edit]
- Propose manually merging Category:Executed people from Brittany to Category:Executed French people
- Propose manually merging Category:Executed people from Centre-Val de Loire to Category:Executed French people
- Propose manually merging Category:Executed people from Corsica to Category:Executed French people
- Propose manually merging Category:Executed people from Île-de-France to Category:Executed French people
- Propose manually merging Category:Executed people from Normandy to Category:Executed French people
- Propose manually merging Category:Executed people from Pays de la Loire to Category:Executed French people
- Propose manually merging Category:Executed people from Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur to Category:Executed French people
- Nominator's rationale: manually merge, follow-up after this earlier discussion. Only the second reason of the previous discussion applies now: trivial intersection with location. Manually merge insofar the articles aren't already in one of the other subcategories e.g. Category:French people executed by Nazi Germany. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:06, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Cricket articles needing attention to tagging[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Category not found in code of Template:WikiProject Cricket anymore so not in use. Gonnym (talk) 17:34, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:India MPs 2019–present[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:India MPs 2019–present to Category:India MPs 2019–2024
- Nominator's rationale: The 2024 Indian general election was declared and is currently going on. The term of the previous MPs definitely ended in 2024. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 10:39, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Why such a rush? Let's not close this discussion until the 2019 parliament is formally dissolved. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:19, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Defer / oppose per Marcocapelle / WP:CRYSTAL. NLeeuw (talk) 21:02, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I could have justified my reasoning more. The synopsis of the last day of the Budget session of parliament on February 10, has the following statements:
- Page 27: "Hon. Prime Minister and Hon. Members, the tenure of this Lok Sabha is drawing to a close today with this session of the Seventeenth Lok Sabha."
- Page 35: "The National Song was played. (Thereafter, Lok Sabha adjourned sine die)" -MPGuy2824 (talk) 05:42, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- Really, is India without a functioning parliament for a couple of months? In that case by all means rename. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:57, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- Question Why don't we speedy rename it to Category:Members of the 17th Lok Sabha per main article List of members of the 17th Lok Sabha (WP:C2D)? Otherwise we are bound to be renaming these categories every time Parliament is adjourned or disbanded or whatever, but the ordinal number remains the same and therefore stable. NLeeuw (talk) 22:12, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- Please see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 September 12#Indian Members of Parliament by term. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 02:29, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Pilot licensing by country[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: This is borderline c2c, but it could also be that there is no parent category for Pilot licensing. Mason (talk) 15:37, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Former Laicized Roman Catholic priests[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Non-defining, and borderline perfectcat Mason (talk) 15:33, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:41, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Aircraft categories[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Aircraft categories to Category:Aircraft by type
- Nominator's rationale: Overlapping category with confusing name Mason (talk) 15:25, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. Aircraft category is a technical term, not the same thing as an aircraft type. cagliost (talk) 15:34, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per cagliost. The confusion is understandable though; I suggest we add Template:Category see also to both and refer to each other to aid navigation. NLeeuw (talk) 06:49, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Lists of bankruptcies[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Lists of bankruptcies to Category:Bankruptcy
- Nominator's rationale: There's only two pages in there that are actual lists. The rest is a collection of categories for companies that have declared bankruptcy. This isn't helpful for navigation. Mason (talk) 15:12, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
:Oppose. I have removed one page that shouldn't be in the category. Now we have two pages that should be in this category, and some subcategories. I don't see the problem for navigation. cagliost (talk) 15:37, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- The subcategories don't belong here, they do not contain lists. Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:44, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Lifeboats of the Titanic[edit]
- Propose splitting Category:Lifeboats of the Titanic to Category:RMS Titanic and Category:Lifeboats
- Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge. These two pages are already interlinked. This category really isn't helpful at this stage. Mason (talk) 15:00, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Dual merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:01, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Agreed. The category only has one member. cagliost (talk) 15:38, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Disability and lesbianism[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Disability and lesbianism to Category:LGBT and disability and Category:Disability and women and Category:Lesbian history
- Nominator's rationale: I encourage the category creator to make a main page about this intersection, because right now this just seems like a narrow collection at this 3xintersection of gender+disability+sexual orientation. Mason (talk) 14:22, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Triple merge, trivial intersection, per WP:OCEGRS. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:04, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Lesbians with disabilities[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Lesbians with disabilities to Category:LGBT people with disabilities
- Propose deleting Category:Women with disabilities (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Non-defining interseciton between gender+sexual orientation+disability, per WP:EGRS. (For the record, I am both queer, female, and disabled; and after searching the academic literature, I am extremely skeptical that this intersection is defining for individuals, given what litle i found). Mason (talk) 14:16, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge/delete, trivial intersections, per WP:OCEGRS. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:06, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Question So we're keeping Category:Disability and women and Category:Disability and lesbianism, but considering deleting subcategories for specific women and lesbians with disabilities? Because the phenomena are notable enough, but for individuals it is non-defining? Or at least, lesbians with disabilities do not stand out amongst the larger group of Category:LGBT people with disabilities? I think I might support that reasoning. NLeeuw (talk) 05:59, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
North Yorkshire geography stubs[edit]
- Propose deleting Template:Craven-geo-stub (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Template:Hambleton-geo-stub (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Template:Harrogate-geo-stub (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Template:Richmondshire-geo-stub (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Template:Ryedale-geo-stub (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Template:Scarborough-geo-stub (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Template:Craven-geo-stub (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Unused stub templates. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:20, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to parent (Category:North Yorkshire geography stubs) per standard WPSS practice. In many of today's nominations, it looks like there is serious undersorting of stubs rather than an actual lack of need for their use. See comments under Central Bohemian geography stubs, above. Again, as there, the templates would be autimatically kept - it should be the categories that are proposed for deletion/upmerging. Grutness...wha? 03:59, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- They're now all finally used as they should be. Some of them (Harrogate, Hambledon, Richmondshire) have categories which are well over 60 stubs; the other templates can be upmerged - although serveral are close to the 60-stub threshold. Not sure why these were never used in the first place. Grutness...wha? 08:40, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- They were not used as I changed them to the parent North Yorkshire ready to delete them. Keith D (talk) 16:25, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Gah. 1) why didn't you say that they were no longer used rather than unused, which implies that they had never been used?; 2 why didn't you comment when I said they were victims of undersorting?; and 3) why did you empty them prior to a deletion discussion which may result in them being kept? If you wanted to change them all to North Yorkshire, all you had to do was turn the templates into redirects to {{NorthYorkshire-geo-stub}}. You didn't need to go through this whole process! If you do go through this process, don't empty them first - do what it says to do on the tfd template! PS - if these districts are no longer used, what areas do you suggest splitting North Yorkshire into for stub purposes, as the NYk geo stub category will be over the 600 stub threshold for splitting? Grutness...wha? 16:51, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- They were not used as I changed them to the parent North Yorkshire ready to delete them. Keith D (talk) 16:25, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- They're now all finally used as they should be. Some of them (Harrogate, Hambledon, Richmondshire) have categories which are well over 60 stubs; the other templates can be upmerged - although serveral are close to the 60-stub threshold. Not sure why these were never used in the first place. Grutness...wha? 08:40, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as "what links here" gives a list of articles that someone working on, for example, Craven, would want to develop. (The proposal is to delete the template, not the category, so admittedly the category could serve the same purpose.) --Northernhenge (talk) 18:48, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete districts aren't generally a good way of dividing stubs (or set categories) into. Its normally best to just put all in the ceremonial county. In addition these districts have been abolished for over a year. Also do the same with the Cornish ones. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:47, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete they are all out of date as have been abolished and just upmerge the categories they populated to North Yorkshire where they should now reside. Keith D (talk) 16:25, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Grutness, now that the cats are populated. Her Pegship (?) 17:26, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I think there is some confusion here. The proposal seeks to delete the templates, but many people are commenting on whether the categories should exist. As the categories have not been tagged, I will do so. I will also note that many of the templates/categories are now in use.
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- Delete sensible to delete these as districts no longer used so as to avoid confusing people. 86.187.229.36 (talk) 16:21, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Disinformation operations[edit]
- Propose manually merging Category:Disinformation operations to Category:Disinformation
- Nominator's rationale: this is follow-up on this previous discussion. After purging it is more clearly about disinformation, but does not clearly distinguish itself from its parent Category:Disinformation. Hence manually merge (only insofar appropriate). Marcocapelle (talk) 22:21, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Coddlebean, Nederlandse Leeuw, and Hmains: pinging contributors to previous discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:24, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 22:57, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- do not agree 'Disinformation' is a about a fact: false and misleading information. 'Disinformation operations' is about a process, something that people are organized to carry out, generally by a political entity of some kind. Very different articles involved, as they should be. Hmains (talk) 23:25, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Murdered Australian rules footballers[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Non-defining 3x intersection between cause of death, occupation, and specific sport within that occupation. (Delete instead of merge because Murdered sportspeople only has this category in it, and has the same intersection issue) Mason (talk) 03:15, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:37, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as per nom. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:08, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Lists of films by date[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Lists of films by date to Category:Lists of films
- Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only two subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:01, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep I don't agree that it is redundant, it helps keep the parent category less crowded.★Trekker (talk) 13:17, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- It is 14 or 15 subcategories, that does not make the difference. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:43, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Mountaineering organizations[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: merge both to Category:Climbing and mountaineering organizations. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 13:40, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Mountaineering organizations to Category:Climbing organizations
- Nominator's rationale: These are both climbing and mountaineering organizations so the separation is no longer useful, better to have one single category called Category:Climbing and mountaineering organizations Aszx5000 (talk) 20:01, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge the two to Category:Climbing and mountaineering organizations, they are very overlapping. I will tag Category:Climbing organizations too. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:40, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Works about mountaineering[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: merge both to Category:Works about climbing and mountaineering. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 13:43, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Works about mountaineering to Category:Works about climbing
- Nominator's rationale: As per the recent CfD on Category:Climbing and mountaineering books, the Category:Works about mountaineering should be merged into Category:Works about climbing, which should then be renamed as Category:Works about climbing and mountaineering. Aszx5000 (talk) 19:54, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge the two to Category:Works about climbing and mountaineering, they are very overlapping. I will tag Category:Works about climbing too. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:43, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Mountaineering films[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: merge both to Category:Climbing and mountaineering films. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 13:49, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Mountaineering films to Category:Climbing films
- Nominator's rationale: As per the recent CfD on Category:Climbing and mountaineering books, the Category:Mountaineering films should be merged into Category:Climbing films, which itself should be renamed as Category:Climbing and mountaineering films. Aszx5000 (talk) 19:52, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge the two to Category:Climbing and mountaineering films, they are very overlapping. I will tag Category:Climbing films too. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:48, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Invasions by country[edit]
- Propose upmerging Category:Invasions by country to Category:Invasions and Category:Wars by country involved
- Nominator's rationale: This category will never have more than its current 2 subcategories: Category:Invasions by country invaded and Category:Invasions by invading country. It exists only by virtue of the ambiguous meaning of the word "country", which is only explained by the two subcategories. It therefore does not aid navigation, and should be upmerged to its parents so that direct navigation to the subcategories is possible. NLeeuw (talk) 20:50, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge as nominated and delete all new subcats, merely creating extra container categories doesn't improve navigation between related articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:32, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support deleting all new subcats as nom. I don't know if I should tag them as well, but I think we should make clear to the creator that creating new subcats isn't very helpful in the middle of a CFD, and in fact somewhat disruptive. (There is probably a guideline against it, but I can't find it right now). I would ask @AHI-3000: to please stop creating new subcategories of this category for the duration of this CFD. Thanks in advance. NLeeuw (talk) 23:11, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Nederlandse Leeuw: Then cite which specific rule is against doing that. Your initial claim was that this category cannot grow larger than 2 subcats. AHI-3000 (talk) 01:10, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support deleting all new subcats as nom. I don't know if I should tag them as well, but I think we should make clear to the creator that creating new subcats isn't very helpful in the middle of a CFD, and in fact somewhat disruptive. (There is probably a guideline against it, but I can't find it right now). I would ask @AHI-3000: to please stop creating new subcategories of this category for the duration of this CFD. Thanks in advance. NLeeuw (talk) 23:11, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge and delete subcats Per WP:NARROWCAT. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:26, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- @AHI-3000: if you were just trying to make a point it would be the most elegant solution if you would tag the new subcategories as G7. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:29, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: G7? AHI-3000 (talk) 06:31, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- WP:G7. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:34, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: G7? AHI-3000 (talk) 06:31, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. I don't see a reason to create multiple subcategories of Category:Invasions with little difference from the parent category. Dimadick (talk) 17:59, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Crystal City, Arlington, Virginia[edit]
- Propose renaming: Category:Crystal City, Arlington, Virginia should be changed to Category:Crystal City, Virginia so that it is consistent with the primary page, which is Crystal City, Virginia. Thanks. Keystone18 (talk) 20:29, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:40, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Buildings Downtown Portland, Oregon[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: --Another Believer (Talk) 14:06, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- Hi. It's the "Downtown" that distinguishes this category. Portland is a major city with many distinct neighborhoods. It would be helpful to look up buildings by neighborhood, rather than lumping every building in the city together. Thanks. Pickwiki (talk) 15:44, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Pickwiki: If you're going to create subcategories, then I'd suggest Category:Buildings and structures in North Portland, Oregon, Category:Buildings and structures in Northeast Portland, Oregon, Category:Buildings and structures in Northwest Portland, Oregon, Category:Buildings and structures in South Portland, Oregon, Category:Buildings and structures in Southeast Portland, Oregon, and Category:Buildings and structures in Southwest Portland, Oregon, based on Category:North Portland, Oregon, Category:Northeast Portland, Oregon, Category:Northwest Portland, Oregon, Category:South Portland, Oregon, Category:Southeast Portland, Oregon, and Category:Southwest Portland, Oregon. --Another Believer (Talk) 22:21, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Hi. It's the "Downtown" that distinguishes this category. Portland is a major city with many distinct neighborhoods. It would be helpful to look up buildings by neighborhood, rather than lumping every building in the city together. Thanks. Pickwiki (talk) 15:44, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- If kept, rename to Category:Buildings and structures in Downtown Portland, Oregon. No opinion on whether than warrants a category. * Pppery * it has begun... 16:47, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Pppery I've proposed a different way to subcategorize above, if you are interested in revisiting this discussion. ---Another Believer (Talk) 22:22, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, no other neighborhoods in Portland have their own subcategory while that would be more interesting. It is too obvious that many notable buildings are in downtown. If not merged, rename to Category:Buildings and structures in Downtown Portland, Oregon for better grammar. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:52, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Art awards by country[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Art awards by country to Category:Visual arts awards by country
- Propose renaming Category:Australian art awards to Category:Australian visual arts awards
- Propose renaming Category:Bangladeshi art awards to Category:Bangladeshi visual arts awards
- Propose renaming Category:British art awards to Category:British visual arts awards
- Propose renaming Category:Canadian art awards to Category:Canadian visual arts awards
- Propose renaming Category:Danish art awards to Category:Danish visual arts awards
- Propose renaming Category:Dutch art awards to Category:Dutch visual arts awards
- Propose renaming Category:French art awards to Category:French visual arts awards
- Propose renaming Category:German art awards to Category:German visual arts awards
- Propose renaming Category:Indian art awards to Category:Indian visual arts awards
- Propose renaming Category:Italian art awards to Category:Italian visual arts awards
- Propose renaming Category:Japanese art awards to Category:Japanese visual arts awards
- Propose renaming Category:New Zealand art awards to Category:New Zealand visual arts awards
- Propose renaming Category:Pakistani art awards to Category:Pakistani visual arts awards
- Propose renaming Category:Russian art awards to Category:Russian visual arts awards
- Propose renaming Category:Slovenian art awards to Category:Slovenian visual arts awards
- Propose renaming Category:South African art awards to Category:South African visual arts awards
- Propose renaming Category:Ukrainian art awards to Category:Ukrainian visual arts awards
- Propose renaming Category:European art awards to Category:European visual arts awards
- Nominator's rationale: There's a bit of an inconsistency issue in this category tree that's causing some confusion. All of the subcategories here are named "X art awards" except the American one, which is Category:American visual arts awards -- but the parent category is Category:Visual arts awards rather than "Art awards", which resulted in me having to do a major cleanup run to move a whole lot of articles that had been left in the parent instead of being moved to any of these subcategories, potentially because these are named differently than the parent and thus people didn't realize they existed. Bearcat (talk) 21:18, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, this old chestnut keeps rearing it's ugly head, Art is not a sub-category of Visual arts and Category:Art awards by country has been incorrectly categorised subsequently to its creation. Category:Arts awards by country etc would be a better parent category. "Art" includes more than just the 'visual'. Sionk (talk) 21:35, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- "Art" includes more than just the 'visual'. Indeed. The recent CfR on art festivals (see below) established that music / dance festivals and literary festivals are not considered "visual arts" festivals, but they are "art festivals". If musical/dance and literary artists are suddenly excluded and disqualified from membership in this tree, that has a lot of consequences. We need to work out the semantics first, and then assess the consequences any changes would have for the category tree. NLeeuw (talk) 06:28, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom and if there are any articles about awards that are not for visual arts then move them to a new Category:Art awards. Sionk has a point but by just opposing we don't solve the problem that Bearcat put on the table. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:51, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom and also support Marco's proposal. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:48, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Sionk's commentary is worth examining. I'll add that Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 14#Category:Art festivals in the United States was recently withdrawn by nom who couldn't justify renaming "art" to "visual arts" on second consideration. We need to consider the semantics and consequences for the tree. (Not voting on this proposal yet myself). NLeeuw (talk) 05:36, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Turkic Sufi saints[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Turkic Sufi saints to Category:Sufi saints
- Nominator's rationale: There have been several cfds that found that Turkic foos aren't defining. It looks like this category was missed. Mason (talk) 21:17, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete and move Taptuk Emre and Ahmad Yasawi and the subcategory to Category:Sufi saints. The other articles are already in Category:Bengali Sufi saints or Category:Sufi saints from the Ottoman Empire. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:58, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Singles by decade by record label[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Singles by decade by record label, Category:2000s Atlantic Records singles, Category:2010s Atlantic Records singles, Category:2020s Atlantic Records singles, Category:2000s Island Records singles, Category:2010s Island Records singles, Category:2020s Island Records singles, Category:Atlantic Records singles by decade, and Category:Island Records singles by decade to Category:Atlantic Records singles, Category:Island Records singles, various singles-by-year categories as appropriate and delete the main container cat.
- Nominator's rationale: No need to break them up by decade--that would be better handled with a discography anyway--and no need to have the scheme Category:Singles by decade (in the 21st century only) and record label. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:52, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Officers of Ipswich Corporation[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Officers of Ipswich Corporation to Category:Ipswich Corporation
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. There is only one page here, which isn't helpful for navigation. I strongly encourage the category creator not to create categories with only one page in them. Mason (talk) 00:53, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge with Category:Ipswich Corporation to Category:History of Ipswich. It is very unhelpful to create a separate category for every article. I will tag Category:Ipswich Corporation too. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:47, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Merge per Marco. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:56, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Even better! Mason (talk) 21:33, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Alder carrs[edit]
- Convert Category:Alder carrs to article Alder carr
- Nominator's rationale: I don't really know what to do with this category. I think it's for a very specific kind of wetland that only applies to a specific kind of tree. This category feels like a non-defining intersection between kind of tree and kind of landform, but I'm not an expert. Mason (talk) 00:58, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Romanian people by ethnic or national origin and occupation[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only two subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:53, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. I don't see anything inherently wrong with the category. It could get larger if we made categories for other numerous minorities in Romania like Germans or Roma. I also see we already have an American equivalent, Category:American people by ethnic or national origin and occupation. Super Ψ Dro 21:43, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep — nothing wrong with having only two subcategories, and as noted by Super Dromaeosaurus, there is potential for at least two more. — Biruitorul Talk 21:58, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete — Except for politicians (as Romania posits itself as a nation state, ethnic politicians often represent the interests of ethnic minorities), such association in entirely irrelevant and should not exists, per WP:EGRS. If somebody wants a random category intersection, there are tools out there that can create it using existing categories. Anonimu (talk) 15:32, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Conspiracist media[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: This category contains medias that are mainstream, and most of these are from certain countries. Coddlebean (talk) 06:09, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Weak delete; perhaps upmerge A lot of these are indeed conspiracist media, like InfoWars. But categories are not a place where we can verify their status as conspiracist. That's a job for reliable sources in articles. WP:RSP can help. But verification of membership is probably a time-consuming effort. If we don't do that verification regularly, this risks becoming a WP:SUBJECTIVECAT. But perhaps we should upmerge the category to its parents? NLeeuw (talk) 06:34, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Upmerging does not solve the problem, it just moves the problem to another place. Besides Category:Alternative media is certainly not a proper merge target. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:50, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Lean to delete, considering the fact that many articles are already in a more specific subcategory of Category:Conspiracy theories I don't think this category adds much value in itself. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:06, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- keep These are not mainstream media; they are something else. Whether or not they are mostly from certain countries is beside the point; they are from wherever they are from. Specific media outlets are quite different from specific theories and, as such, are not (and should not be) in the random set of articles I looked at in Category:Conspiracy theories. Hmains (talk) 18:16, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, to distinguish between media promoting conspiracy theories and those merely investigating them. Paleontologist99 (talk) 16:28, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Paleontologist99. - Amigao (talk) 19:31, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Populated places on the Underground Railroad[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Specific buildings which served as stations on the Underground Railroad are absolutely defined by it but an entire town, city or county is usually not. In some cases, certain locales like New Bedford, Massachusetts were such hubs of the Underground Railroad that they should be kept in the main category but that can be done on a case by case basis. User:Namiba 15:30, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:07, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- keep These are historically related places. They were certainly defining for these places during the historical period involved here: 1840s and 1850s in the United States. These illegal activities were something that many people in a place were at least silently aware of and did not bring to the attention of law enforcement. In many cases, the articles do not point to a specific building(s) so there is no use in thinking that will keep tying these together, as they should be. Hmains (talk) 18:51, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Is it defining though? In most cases, no. Neither Portland, Maine nor most other cities are not defined by the fact that they had a stop in the Underground Railroad. For cities which are defined as such, they can and should be categorized within the tree. If you can show otherwise, I will withdraw the nomination.--User:Namiba 17:07, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Religious buildings and structures destroyed in the Muslim period in the Indian subcontinent[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: rename per actual content. They are all Hindu temples. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:37, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. 08:23, 10 May 2024 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nederlandse Leeuw (talk • contribs)
- Rename perhaps as Category:Religious structures destroyed during the Muslim period in the Indian subcontinent. The structures destroyed during that period include not just Hindu temples but also Jain and Buddhist ones (i.e., all idol-worshiping Indian religions). Rasnaboy (talk) 13:19, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
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- User:Rasnaboy has just added Jain temples, Halebidu to the category. I suggest to move this article to Category:Destroyed temples and have the rename pursued as nominated. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:55, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:History of Great Britain[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Option A: remove header and a remove a number of parent categories. Option B: nominate subcategories for merger. In any case, the current content of the category is completely out of sync with how the category creator(s) intended. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:23, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, please clarify the issue with this particular category. I don't really follow. Omnis Scientia (talk) 00:45, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Palestinian American activists for Palestinian solidarity[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Dual merge. This is an extremely narrow intersection of activists for a specific cause, intersecting with nationality and ethnicity. Mason (talk) 19:30, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Dual merge per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:48, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Dual merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:28, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Middle Eastern anti-racism activists[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Redundant category lawyer with only three middle eastern nationalities in it. Mason (talk) 19:00, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:49, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:29, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Yoruba Muslim leaders[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Yoruba Muslim leaders to Category:Yoruba Muslim religious leaders
- Nominator's rationale: rename per Category:Yoruba religious leaders. This category was at WP:CFDS for a different rename proposal. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:58, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Terrorist incidents in Venezuela[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. This category only has one page in it and it's also not clear cut if the one page Attack on Fort Paramacay is terrorism. Mason (talk) 18:13, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Dual merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:29, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Male bacteriologists[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Male bacteriologists to Category:Bacteriologists
- Nominator's rationale: Non-defining intersection between being male and a specific kind of biologist, under per WP:EGRS Mason (talk) 18:08, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Just delete, the only article is already in Category:British bacteriologists. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:31, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Women speculative fiction editors[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Women speculative fiction editors to Category:Speculative fiction editors and Category:Women editors
- Propose merging Category:Male speculative fiction editors to Category:Speculative fiction editors
- Nominator's rationale: Non-defining intersection between editor, genre of editing, and gender. There's no male editor category in general. Mason (talk) 18:04, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per WP:OCEGRS, trivial intersection. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:08, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Question At which upward level will gender become WP:DEFINING? Or: At which downward level will gender become WP:NONDEFINING? Would parent Category:Women editors and potential parent Category:Women print editors also fail WP:OCEGRS as a trivial intersection? If so, then Merge and follow-up nomination. If not, then Keep and Re-parent Category:Women speculative fiction editors from Category:Women editors to Category:Women print editors. The current proposal seems a bit piecemeal, and not based on precedents of similar cases. There's no male X category in general is an argument that can be made for countless trees for which the female/women category (tree) has been found to be WP:DEFINING. NLeeuw (talk) 05:24, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Michigan-Ontario Collegiate Conference football seasons[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Only one subcategory. Let'srun (talk) 01:49, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep; part of well-established tree. Jweiss11 (talk) 01:50, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, categorization by year suffices in this case. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:27, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 15:52, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Template Large category TOC on category with up to 1200 pages[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Template Large category TOC on category with up to 200 pages (0) to Category:Template Large category TOC on category with up to 1200 pages
- Propose merging Category:Template Large category TOC on category with 201–600 pages (0) to Category:Template Large category TOC on category with up to 1200 pages
- Propose merging Category:Template Large category TOC on category with 601–900 pages (0) to Category:Template Large category TOC on category with up to 1200 pages
- Propose merging Category:Template Large category TOC on category with 901–1200 pages (0) to Category:Template Large category TOC on category with up to 1200 pages
- Nominator's rationale: We have sub-tracking categories either to avoid a massive parent category or because different situations require different fixes. The category tree is currently empty, so it is not the first one. And they all require the same fix (swapping to {{Automatic category TOC}}; you don't need a large TOC for categories which have fewer than 1200 members). Therefore, there is no need for this amount of granular detail; one tracking category is plenty. (See also Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 23#Category:Categories without CatAutoTOC and friends.) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 15:50, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Template Category TOC on category with X–Y pages[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Template Category TOC on category with 101–200 pages (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Template Category TOC tracking categories
- Propose merging Category:Template Category TOC on category with 201–300 pages (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Template Category TOC tracking categories
- Propose merging Category:Template Category TOC on category with 301–600 pages (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Template Category TOC tracking categories
- Propose merging Category:Template Category TOC on category with 601–900 pages (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Template Category TOC tracking categories
- Propose merging Category:Template Category TOC on category with 901–1200 pages (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Template Category TOC tracking categories
- Nominator's rationale: After Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 23#Category:Categories without CatAutoTOC and friends, these are all redundant category layers with one subcategory. Merge all to Category:Template Category TOC tracking categories. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 15:38, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Template Category TOC on category with over 1200 pages[edit]
- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was: speedy keep. (Withdrawn.) (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 15:43, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Following up on Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 23#Category:Categories without CatAutoTOC and friends, I think that this category makes the most sense as part of Category:Categories which use Category TOC without Automatic category TOC. (If a category does use {{Automatic category TOC}} and has more than 1200 pages, it will automatically use {{Large category TOC}}. Therefore, any category with more than 1200 pages with {{Category TOC}} does not use {{Automatic category TOC}}.) This merge will also allow for a massive simplification to the code of Template:Category TOC/tracking. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 15:24, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
Category:American Roman Catholic poets[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:American Roman Catholic poets to Category:American Catholic poets
- Nominator's rationale: I think we should broaden this category because there's no Roman Catholic poets parent category and all the siblings under category:Catholic poets by nationality are FOOian Catholic poets. Mason (talk) 15:00, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. I honestly had no idea there were types of Catholics until today but I agree, this should match other similar categories to this. Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:14, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Rename, diffusion by church body within the Catholic Church is only useful if there are a significant number of Eastern Catholics too, but that does not seem to be the case here. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:12, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Activists for Palestinian solidarity[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: This is a random mix of people who aren't activists. Purge the category and leave in actual activists. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:29, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Also I'm not too sure about it but maybe rename to "Pro-Palestinian activists". Any other suggestion would be helpful; this one seems rather vague. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:30, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- I'll wait for some consensus here before I proceed with the subcategories. Honestly, going through them, I don't think any of these people in any of these categories were checked to see if they actually were activists for Palestinian solidarity, particularly given a number of these aren't pro-Palestinian but rather anti-Israeli. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:33, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- I would prefer keeping this category, I should add, since there is a big Palestinian movement and activists who are pro-Palestinian. I just think we should be careful who to put in. Some of these "pro-Palestinian" people aren't pro-Palestinian at all. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:36, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support doing something, but mixed on the alternative rename. I think that the "Pro-Palestinian activists" are indeed a more specific subgroup that are definitely nested within Anti-racist activists. Perhaps splitting or nesting/reorganizing to acknowledge that there are also activists for Palestinian civil rights etc. idk 🤷 It's really complicated.Mason (talk) 18:21, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Smasongarrison, it is quite complicated, you're right. I'm not too sure about myself but, IMO and as you have said yourself, "Pro-Palestinian" is less vague and more definable than "Activists for Palestinian solidarity". Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:32, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Purge: a removal of articles about people who weren't activists is a no-brainer. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:18, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Southeast Asian people of Brazilian descent[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: We do not categorize descent categories by regions; we only group them by continents and countries. I do not see any valid reason to make an exception for Southeast Asia. Aldij (talk) 13:41, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:46, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:19, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Southeast Asian people of Chinese descent[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: We do not categorize descent categories by regions; we only group them by continents and countries. I do not see any valid reason to make an exception for Southeast Asia. Aldij (talk) 13:41, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:52, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:46, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Academic libraries in Algeria[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge for now. There are only two redirects in this category, which isn't helpful for navigation. Mason (talk) 13:24, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Dual merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:20, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Works by Sidi Boushaki[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Works by Sidi Boushaki to Category:Arabic poetry
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. Only one poem in here, which isn't helpful for navigation Mason (talk) 13:21, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Just delete, the article is already in Category:Poems in Arabic. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:21, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Algerian inventions[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Redudant category layer (merge for now). The lone child category is already in all the parent categories it needs Mason (talk) 13:19, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:22, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 05:14, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Painters of the Holy Land pre-1948[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Painters of the Holy Land pre-1948 to Category:???????
- Nominator's rationale: I'm not really sure what to do with this category name, because it isn't particularly helpful/descriptive. Is this painters from after 1948 who painted the "holy land" or is it painters of what the "holy land" looked like after 1948. Mason (talk) 13:12, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, among Category:Painters by theme this concerns an extremely narrow theme. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:35, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Upmerge to Category:Landscape painters for now, with prejudice, as "Holy Land" is a WP:POV term. If anyone wants to revive the catname in the future, it needs a compelling justification. NLeeuw (talk) 20:32, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
Early modern period[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Early Modern history of Algeria to Category:Early modern history of Algeria
- Propose renaming Category:Early modern Angola to Category:Early modern history of Angola
- Propose renaming Category:Early Modern history of Armenia to Category:Early modern history of Armenia
- Propose renaming Category:Early Modern Austria to Category:Early modern history of Austria
- Propose renaming Category:Early Modern history of Azerbaijan to Category:Early modern history of Azerbaijan
- Propose renaming Category:Early Modern history of Belarus to Category:Early modern history of Belarus
- Propose renaming Category: Early Modern history of Bengal to Category:Early modern history of Bengal
- Propose renaming Category:Early Modern Britain to Category:Early modern history of Britain
- Propose renaming Category:Early Modern England to Category:Early modern history of England
- Propose renaming Category:Early Modern France to Category:Early modern history of France
- Propose renaming Category:Early Modern history of Georgia (country) to Category:Early modern history of Georgia (country)
- Propose renaming Category:Early Modern history of Germany to Category:Early modern history of Germany
- Propose renaming Category:Early Modern Holy Roman Empire to Category:Early modern history of the Holy Roman Empire
- Propose renaming Category:Early Modern history of Hungary to Category:Early modern history of Hungary
- Propose renaming Category:Early Modern history of India to Category:Early modern history of India
- Propose renaming Category:Early Modern history of Iran to Category:Early modern history of Iran
- Propose renaming Category:Early Modern history of Iraq to Category:Early modern history of Iraq
- Propose renaming Category:Early Modern Ireland to Category:Early modern history of Ireland
- Propose renaming Category:Early Modern Italy to Category:Early modern history of Italy
- Propose renaming Category:Early Modern history of Lithuania to Category:Early modern history of Lithuania
- Propose renaming Category:Early Modern Luxembourg to Category:Early modern history of Luxembourg
- Propose renaming Category:Early Modern Morocco to Category:Early modern history of Morocco
- Propose renaming Category:Early Modern Netherlands to Category:Early modern history of the Netherlands
- Propose renaming Category:Early Modern history of Poland to Category:Early modern history of Poland
- Propose renaming Category:Early Modern history of Portugal to Category:Early modern history of Portugal
- Propose renaming Category:Early Modern history of Russia to Category:Early modern history of Russia
- Propose renaming Category:Early Modern Scotland to Category:Early modern history of Scotland
- Propose renaming Category:Early Modern history of Serbia to Category:Early modern history of Serbia
- Propose renaming Category:Early Modern Sicily to Category:Early modern history of Sicily
- Propose renaming Category:Early Modern history of Somalia to Category:Early modern history of Somalia
- Propose renaming Category:Early Modern history of Somaliland to Category:Early modern history of Somaliland
- Propose renaming Category:Early Modern history of Spain to Category:Early modern history of Spain
- Propose renaming Category:Early Modern history of Sweden to Category:Early modern history of Sweden
- Propose renaming Category:Early Modern history of Switzerland to Category:Early modern history of Switzerland
- Propose renaming Category:Early Modern Thailand to Category:Early modern history of Thailand
- Propose renaming Category:Early Modern history of the United Kingdom to Category:Early modern history of the United Kingdom
- Nominator's rationale: rename. First, a capital M is not needed, per Early modern period, Category:Early modern period and Category:Early modern period by country. Next to that, we may harmonize the categories further to either "Early modern country" or "Early modern history of country".
I will add targets to the nomination when the latter becomes a bit more clear in the discussion.Marcocapelle (talk) 11:51, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Rename all to Early modern history of Fooland, lowercase "m" (following several recent precedents), and "history of" to prevent any anachronisms about countries that didn't yet exist, or didn't yet have their modern names (at least not in contemporary sources, or historiographical convention / common parlance), e.g. the Netherlands (most but not all was the Dutch Republic), the United Kingdom (most but not all was the Kingdom of Great Britain), Ukraine (most but not all was the Cossack Hetmanate or Hetmanshchyna), Germany (HRE, you know the drill), Belarus, India, etc. NLeeuw (talk) 12:14, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom and Nleeuw. Excellent points! Mason (talk) 13:21, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom and Nleeuw. I concur with Mason. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:49, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Sportspeople by sport and populated place[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Water polo players by city or town to Category:Water polo players by populated place
- Propose renaming Category:Volleyball players by city or town to Category:Volleyball players by populated place
- Propose renaming Category:Sport wrestlers by city or town to Category:Sport wrestlers by populated place
- Propose renaming Category:Speed skaters by city or town to Category:Speed skaters by populated place
- Propose renaming Category:Skiers by city or town to Category:Skiers by populated place
- Propose renaming Category:Sport shooters by city or town to Category:Sport shooters by populated place
- Propose renaming Category:Sailors (sport) by city or town to Category:Sailors (sport) by populated place
- Propose renaming Category:Rugby union players by city or town to Category:Rugby union players by populated place
- Propose renaming Category:Rugby league players by city or town to Category:Rugby league players by populated place
- Propose renaming Category:Racing drivers by city or town to Category:Racing drivers by populated place
- Propose renaming Category:Ice hockey people by city or town to Category:Ice hockey people by populated place
- Propose renaming Category:Field hockey players by city or town to Category:Field hockey players by populated place
- Propose renaming Category:Handball players by city or town to Category:Handball players by populated place
- Propose renaming Category:Gymnasts by city or town to Category:Gymnasts by populated place
- Propose renaming Category:Golfers by city or town to Category:Golfers by populated place
- Propose renaming Category:Figure skaters by city or town to Category:Figure skaters by populated place
- Propose renaming Category:Fencers by city or town to Category:Fencers by populated place
- Propose renaming Category:Cyclists by city or town to Category:Cyclists by populated place
- Propose renaming Category:Curlers by city or town to Category:Curlers by populated place
- Propose renaming Category:Cricketers by city or town to Category:Cricketers by populated place
- Propose renaming Category:Canoeists by city or town to Category:Canoeists by populated place
- Propose renaming Category:Boxers by city or town to Category:Boxers by populated place
- Propose renaming Category:Basketball players by city or town to Category:Basketball players by populated place
- Nominator's rationale: Per a discussion in speedy. We should first change "city or town" to "populated place" before proceeding with nationality categories. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:58, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Pinging @Marcocapelle, @Smasongarrison, and @Armbrust from the speedy discussion. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:10, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support all. When these were made, "city or town" was the standard for WP categories, but the more inclusive "populated place" is now the norm and makes perfect sense. Grutness...wha? 10:31, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support all per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 12:17, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per several recent cases in which we renamed this way. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:19, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Happy to see them renamed accordingly, less clumsy than the current names. Sionk (talk) 19:07, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Note: If these are renamed as proposed, therare a lot of by-country subcats of these which will also need renaming. Grutness...wha? 02:15, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Grutness, if this gets through, those will be done in the next one or via speedy. Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:19, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Basketball people by city or town[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge to parent categories. Only one category layer. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:50, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:21, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Basketball people (players, coaches, referees, team owners, journalists etc) are not just players.--User:Namiba 18:48, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Namiba, the category only has Category:Basketball players by city or town though. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:54, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- I see now, thanks for clarifying.--User:Namiba 14:11, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- No worries. :) Omnis Scientia (talk) 00:46, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- I see now, thanks for clarifying.--User:Namiba 14:11, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Involving countries[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Wars by country involved to Category:Wars involving countries
- Propose renaming Category:Lists of wars by country involved to Category:Lists of wars involving countries
- Propose renaming Category:Lists of wars by former country to Category:Lists of wars involving former countries
- Propose renaming Category:Wars of the Middle Ages by former country to Category:Wars of the Middle Ages involving former countries
- Propose renaming Category:Battles by country involved to Category:Battles involving countries
- Propose renaming Category:Battles by former country involved to Category:Battles involving former countries
- Propose renaming Category:Sieges by country involved to Category:Sieges involving countries
- Propose renaming Category:Sieges by former country involved to Category:Sieges involving former countries
- Propose renaming Category:Naval battles by country involved to Category:Naval battles involving countries
- Propose renaming Category:Naval battles by former country involved to Category:Naval battles involving former countries
- Nominator's rationale: Consistency with Category:Wars involving former countries and similarly-named categories of non-state actors (e.g. Category:Battles involving peoples, Category:Wars involving peoples; supranational organisations like Category:Peacekeeping missions and operations involving the United Nations; rebel groups like Category:Military operations involving the al-Nusra Front; alliances like Category:Wars involving NATO and Category:Military operations involving the Warsaw Pact, etc.), and to avoid confusion with "countries formerly involved in war X". Follow-up to preliminary discussion Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 22#Involving former countries or by former country involved, where it was found best to let go of the "by country involved" formula as the de facto standard. NLeeuw (talk) 08:57, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: courtesy ping for follow-up discussion. Good day. NLeeuw (talk) 09:13, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- The two discussions should obviously be closed the same way. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:25, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- With the previous discussion closed as Withdrawn (as planned), can you now support my proposal? NLeeuw (talk) 14:41, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Rename for consistency with Category:Wars involving former countries and Category:Wars involving peoples. That is, I would equally support a reverse rename of Category:Wars involving former countries and Category:Wars involving peoples instead of the above but that is not currently being proposed. My point is just to make it more consistent. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:46, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- With the previous discussion closed as Withdrawn (as planned), can you now support my proposal? NLeeuw (talk) 14:41, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Saipan[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Saipan to Category:Saipan, Northern Mariana Islands
- Nominator's rationale: To match the article name, which was just changed because of recent consensus that WP:USPLACE applies to U.S. territories. -- Beland (talk) 06:47, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- WP:USPLACE does not apply to islands, does it? Besides articles about towns on Saipan are formatted as "town, Saipan", not as "town, Northern Mariana Islands". Marcocapelle (talk) 06:48, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Tinian[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Tinian to Category:Tinian, Northern Mariana Islands
- Nominator's rationale: To match article name, which was changed per recent consensus that WP:USPLACE applies to U.S. territories. -- Beland (talk) 06:26, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- WP:USPLACE does not apply to islands, does it? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:51, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, I believe it does. See Category:San Juan, Puerto Rico and Category:Hagåtña, Guam. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:13, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- That said Pago Pago, American Samoa and Category:Pago Pago don't match either. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:19, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Rota (island)[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Rota (island) to Category:Rota, Northern Mariana Islands
- Nominator's rationale: To match article name - moved due to recent consensus that WP:USPLACE covers U.S. territories. -- Beland (talk) 06:17, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- WP:USPLACE does not apply to islands, does it? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:51, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Heliports in Massachusetts[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Heliports in Massachusetts to Category:Heliports in the United States
- Nominator's rationale: Category lacks subjects. Let'srun (talk) 19:41, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, one article is already in Category:Military heliports in the United States and the other article does not belong in a Heliports category. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:04, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Let'srun and Nederlandse Leeuw: thoughts on straight-up deletion? HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 01:52, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Massachusetts General Hospital has a helipad. Helipad is in Category:Heliports, so I've got to disagree with Marcocapelle on that one. What we could do is Purge Camp Edwards Heliport first, and then Upmerge the hospital as proposed. NLeeuw (talk) 06:21, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Let'srun and Nederlandse Leeuw: thoughts on straight-up deletion? HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 01:52, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:Administrative divisions of the United States by state[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: It contains pages and subcategories for US territories, and there is no Category:Administrative divisions of the United States by territory or Category:Administrative divisions in United States insular areas or similar that I could find. Which would contain only a small number of pages and subcategories. -- Beland (talk) 02:52, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Women portrait painters[edit]
- Propose splitting Category:Women portrait painters to Category:Women painters and Category:Portrait painters
- Nominator's rationale: Dual merge for non-defining intersection of gender+type of artist+subject matter of the artist under WP:EGRS Mason (talk) 01:45, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Dual merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:55, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Plurisexual people[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Plurisexual people to Category:LGBT people
- Nominator's rationale: I hate to be that person, but... neither of the two people added to the category have the word plurisexual mentioned anywhere on their pages. Is this really a defining category for individuals, under WP:EGRS? Because it effectively seems like its extremely similar to this CFD for Polysexuality Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_February_26#Polysexuality. I've always thought of it as an umbrella term to allow for the grouping of queer, bi, and pansexual people, rather than a term that is used to describe individual people. [1] [2] If the category is kept, I think it should be containerized. Mason (talk) 00:23, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:55, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. The two articles can be purged if only because they are already in the tree of Category:LGBT people by nationality. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:58, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 17:29, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
May 24[edit]
Category:Characters designed by Toby Fox[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: You may not agree with this, however I'm nominated this category deletion since every article (except Gaster) is also in the category for undertale characters. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 00:01, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:OVERLAPCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:01, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete It's just redundant. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 20:43, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Intersex plurisexual people[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Intersex pansexual people to Category:Intersex plurisexual people
- Propose merging Category:Intersex bisexual people to Category:Intersex plurisexual people
- Nominator's rationale: These categories are too small, merging would make them bigger together. --MikutoH talk! 23:54, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, we do not have a category tree for plurisexual people. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:04, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Intersex gay people[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Intersex lesbians to Category:Intersex gay people
- Propose merging Category:Intersex gay men to Category:Intersex gay people
- Nominator's rationale: Merge both to intersex gay people as separately they are too small, also based on Category:Non-binary gay people (though it should be noticed that Category:Gay people is a soft redirect). See also Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 30#Category:Intersex lesbians and Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 27#Category:Intersex transgender people. --MikutoH talk! 23:37, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, we do not have a category tree for gay people. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:05, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Meuse-Argonne American Cemetery[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: delete, it only contains the eponymous article and a subcategory, which isn't helpful for navigation. Thd subcategory suffices. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:26, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 23:21, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Politics of Lorraine[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Politics of Lorraine to Category:History of Lorraine and Category:Politics of Grand Est
- Nominator's rationale: merge, Lorraine is meanwhile a defunct administrative division, now part of Grand Est. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:09, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 23:21, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
Omaha people[edit]
- Nominator's rationale As there is only one recognized Omaha tribe, the Omaha Tribe of Nebraska (that is the official tribal name on the federal register), change this category's name to match the official name and get rid of the clunky parentheses. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 05:11, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- No oppose, but wouldn't Category:Omaha people be simpler? Marcocapelle (talk) 17:24, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle if I recall correctly that's what it was originally and then somebody changed it because they thought people would confuse it for people from the city of Omaha. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 02:53, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- I see. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:27, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Perhaps Category:Omaha Tribe people would work. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 02:55, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle if I recall correctly that's what it was originally and then somebody changed it because they thought people would confuse it for people from the city of Omaha. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 02:53, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Rename to Category:Omaha people to match Omaha people, and because similarly ambiguous names like Category:Iowa people/Category:People from Iowa aren't disambiguated in this manner. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 18:23, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- @LaundryPizza03 That is what it was before. Here is a link to the previous discussion. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 06:02, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Support renaming to Category:Omaha Tribe people or Category:Omaha Tribe of Nebraska people. Noting that the parent cat is: Category:Omaha Tribe of Nebraska. We have ambiguity due to the tribe name and the city name. And since the city is at Omaha due to WP:COMMONNAME, we should find a way to provide clarity. I think using the name that the tribe themselves use is an easy way forward. - jc37 19:58, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:ZeniMax Media stubs[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Insufficiently large stub category for ZeniMax Media and its subsidiaries. Most pages are already tagged with at least one genre stub type. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:21, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Cartoon Network stubs[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Stub category no longer populated enough to warrant retention. As always, stub categories need to have a minimum of 60 articles, but after I detagged a handful of articles that were too long to be tagged as stubs at all this went from 25 to 20. It has existed in its current form since 2011, after being deleted as underpopulated in 2007 -- but was then tagged as underpopulated again in 2018, until that template was deleted at TFD, so it's not entirely clear that it was ever really adequately populated at all.
Even the 20 pages that are here are a bit of a random grab bag, as it's populated mainly by video game or album tie-ins to Cartoon Network programming and/or foreign channels that franchised Cartoon Network or Boomerang branding, rather than things that actually have much to do with the Category:United States television stubs parent -- so it's not at all clear that there are actually very many things that could be added here to get it back over 60 articles again. It's not generally standard practice, at any rate, to stub-tag things for overly specific associations like particular TV networks; WikiProject Cartoon Network already has project templates on the talk pages anyway, so this isn't serving any important purpose that isn't already being served elsewhere. Bearcat (talk) 01:21, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete or possibly merge, to Category:Animation stubs if the latter. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:19, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Modern serif typefaces[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Modern serif typefaces to Category:Didone serif typefaces
- Nominator's Rationale: Didone is a more common term for this typeface classification. (Didone (typography)) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jothefiredragon (talk • contribs)
Wingate Bulldogs women's basketball[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Wingate Bulldogs women's basketball players (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Wingate University alumni
- Propose deleting Category:Wingate Bulldogs women's basketball (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Both of the categories exist for one member, Ginny Boggess. Qwerfjkltalk 16:51, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge/delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:32, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
Battles by location in Germany[edit]
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles in Baden-Württemberg to Category:Military history of Baden-Württemberg
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles in Bavaria to Category:Military history of Bavaria
- Propose renaming Category:Battles in Brandenburg to Category:Military history of Brandenburg
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles in Hesse to Category:Military history of Hesse
- Propose renaming Category:Battles in Lower Saxony to Category:Military history of Lower Saxony
- Propose renaming Category:Battles in Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania to Category:Military history of Mecklenburg-Vorpommern
Sidenote: Its parent Category:History of Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania is currently being speedy-renamed to Category:History of Mecklenburg-Vorpommern per WP:C2C because of grandparent Category:Mecklenburg-Vorpommern; follow-up to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 October 31#Category:Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania.Done
- Propose renaming Category:Battles in North Rhine-Westphalia to Category:Military history of North Rhine-Westphalia
- Propose renaming Category:Battles in Rhineland-Palatinate to Category:Military history of Rhineland-Palatinate
- Propose renaming Category:Battles in Saarland to Category:Military history of Saarland
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles in Saxony to Category:Military history of Saxony
- Propose renaming Category:Battles in Saxony-Anhalt to Category:Military history of Saxony-Anhalt
- Propose renaming Category:Battles in Schleswig-Holstein to Category:Military history of Schleswig-Holstein
- Propose renaming Category:Battles in Thuringia to Category:Military history of Thuringia
- And lastly, Propose merging Category:Battles by location in Germany to Category:Military history of Germany by state, as all the former's children will have been upmerged to the latter's current children, or will have been renamed; by merging, the renamed categories can be automatically re-parented to that category as well.
- Nominator's rationale: WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN. See also recent precedents. NLeeuw (talk) 16:26, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Rename (or merge) per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:34, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Showrunners of animated shows[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Showrunners of animated shows to Category:Showrunners of animated series
- Nominator's rationale: I made a mistake when I created this category. We consistently use the term series and not show to describe TV, so it should be changed for consistency. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 15:50, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- This rename is a good idea and I definitely support it. Using "series" rather than "shows" certainly makes sense. Historyday01 (talk) 03:38, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Arkansas Tech Wonder Boys football seasons[edit]
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:09, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Battles of the Byzantine–Bulgarian Wars in Thrace[edit]
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles of the Byzantine–Bulgarian Wars in Thrace to Category:Battles of the Byzantine–Bulgarian Wars
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles of the Byzantine–Bulgarian Wars in Thessalonica to Category:Battles of the Byzantine–Bulgarian Wars
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles of the Byzantine–Bulgarian Wars in Macedonia to Category:Battles of the Byzantine–Bulgarian Wars
- Nominator's rationale: WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN. See also recent precedents. NLeeuw (talk) 13:54, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Dual or triple merge for now. While the parent categories still exist, we shouldn't remove content from them. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:12, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Battles involving the Medes[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Battles involving the Medes to Category:Battles involving the Median kingdom
- Nominator's rationale: Each of the battles in this category took place during the existence of the Median kingdom (c. 678 BCE–c. 550 BCE), namely in 614 BCE or later. It is better to categorise battles by states involved than with the people dominating that state, unless they had no state of their own, but the Medes did have this kingdom throughout this period. NLeeuw (talk) 13:01, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Not sure. The existence of a Median kingdom seems to be controversial. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:15, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, but only its early existence.
By 612 BCE, the Medes became strong enough to overthrow the declining Assyrian Empire in alliance with the Babylonians. However, contemporary scholarship tends to be skeptical about the existence of a united Median kingdom or state, at least for most of the 7th century BCE.
I would recommend a close reading of the following paragraph:The Medes reappear in contemporary sources about forty years later in 615 BCE, under the leadership of Cyaxares (....). therefore, the Median kingdom most likely emerged after 627, or possibly already after 631 BCE.
- The battles in this category are all from 614 BCE or later, by which time most scholars agree a Median kingdom existed, led by king Cyaxares. NLeeuw (talk) 05:12, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Ah ok. Then support on that basis. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:48, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, but only its early existence.
Category:Interleague play[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Contents are mostly about historical MLB rivalries, not about interleague play. All of these can be found in Category:Major League Baseball rivalries or in the categories of respective leagues (MLB and NPB). Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:59, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:2010s in Sidon[edit]
- Propose merging Category:2010s in Sidon to Category:History of Sidon
- Nominator's rationale: merge, only one article in this category, which is not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:53, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Works set in abandoned buildings and structures[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: rename, this is follow-up after this earlier discussion, it is a first trial nomination. The word "setting" is only or mainly used in the context of fiction. With non-fiction we use "works about" rather than "works set in". The proposal is to rename the subcategories and purge any non-fiction that is still in them. I don't think there is any non-fiction in the currently nominated subcategory though. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:07, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- @LaundryPizza03, Zxcvbnm, RevelationDirect, and Jc37: pinging contributors to previous discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:11, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Commment/Question I agree "set" implies fiction. One possible alternative to changing the (potential) scope might be to change the wording. Looking at Category:Television shows by location, which includes tons of allegedly non-fiction reality shows, would Category:Works located in abandoned buildings and structures work as an alternative? (This is a sincere question, I'm open to either approach so long as we follow this trial nomination with renaming the rest.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 10:47, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. @Marcocapelle That prior discussion was based on flawed reasoning. The assumption that setting is not related to non-fiction writing is categorically false. As any English teacher would tell you, literary non-fiction also includes setting as a defining feature (see https://study.com/academy/lesson/literary-nonfiction-essays-diaries-letters-more.html where setting is listed as the third defining element of literary non-fiction). It’s ill advised to move an entire category tree structure that is working, and the tree does include some non-fiction works mixed in with the fiction where appropriate. There are literary non-fiction works that are encyclopedic and as setting is a defining element of those works, they should be categorized by setting. The current structure works well for both fiction and non-fiction literature and I see no reason to start differentiating in this way.4meter4 (talk) 13:08, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - This isn't a strong oppose, because I think I see the reasoning, but opposing because a non-fiction work (or a fiction one, for that matter) can be set in a location, and not be about the location. - jc37 19:50, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Hamas bombers[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Hamas bombers to Category:Hamas members
- Nominator's rationale: "bomber" is not an occupation. User:Namiba 01:41, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, but Populate Bombing and especially suicide bombing is not necessarily like a paid "job", no, but it is a "role" in a military, paramilitary or terrorist organisation, even if it is literally the last thing they'll ever do. For the record, I understand "bombers" to include "bomb-makers". Therefore, Category:Hamas members by role is appropriate. (There is a whole Category:Hamas suicide bombings and List of Palestinian suicide attacks, which shows this is a common role within the organisation). Currently, Category:Bombers (people) is in the Category:Criminals by crime, while Category:Suicide bombing is inter alia in Category:Military tactics.
- Although the category had only 2 members when nominated, it could easily be populated with more. I just added Mohiyedine Sharif, Yahya Ayyash, Samar Sabih, and Nidal Farahat. Most of these were already in Category:Hamas military members. It might be worth re-parenting Category:Hamas bombers to Category:Hamas military members, although that would leave Category:Hamas members by role pretty much empty. I think it is quite a redundant layer anyway; we could Upmerge it to Category:Hamas members instead. NLeeuw (talk) 14:22, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- It seems like a redundant layer and we do not have this kind of intersection for other groups.--User:Namiba 00:02, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Namiba So you agree with Upmerging Category:Hamas members by role to Category:Hamas members, and Re-parenting Category:Hamas bombers to Category:Hamas military members? If so, could you please tag Category:Hamas members by role accordingly, and change your proposal, or add it as an Alt proposal? Thanks in advance!
- If you mean something else, please clarify, so we can discuss it. NLeeuw (talk) 05:00, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- It seems like a redundant layer and we do not have this kind of intersection for other groups.--User:Namiba 00:02, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- If merged, rather to Category:Hamas military members. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:19, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- I agree, but I would rather populate and re-parent Category:Hamas bombers to Category:Hamas military members, and upmerge Category:Hamas members by role to Category:Hamas members; see my explanation above. NLeeuw (talk) 05:02, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, that works for me.--User:Namiba 14:10, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- I agree, but I would rather populate and re-parent Category:Hamas bombers to Category:Hamas military members, and upmerge Category:Hamas members by role to Category:Hamas members; see my explanation above. NLeeuw (talk) 05:02, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Propose renaming Category:Trans-related suicides to Category:Transgender-related suicides
- Nominator's rationale: Based on several categories in Special:PrefixIndex/Category:Transgender-related. --MikutoH talk! 23:22, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Rename for consistency with Category:Transgender and Category:Transgender people. Marcocapelle (talk) 23:55, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support per above --Lenticel (talk) 06:01, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support per above. NLeeuw (talk) 04:56, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Comic book editors[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Comic book editors to Category:Comics editors
- Nominator's rationale: The term "comic book" is used for periodical comics publications and is not inclusive of manga, webcomics, graphic novels, etc. "Comics editors" is inclusive of all forms of comics. Thematthewmurray (talk) 22:48, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose: Those are different industries, don't mix apples and oranges. Rather create "manga editors" in Category:Manga industry and list them there. As for the others, graphic novels may not be the same as comic books, but the industry that makes them is the same one, so there's no problem grouping them together. And are there webcomic editors? isn't that a self-published genre? Cambalachero (talk) 00:10, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- While there have been webcomics editors for years, the rise of webcomic platforms/sites like Webtoon and Tapas mean that they are more prominent than before.
- Since you suggested splitting out Japanese editors, I'll mention that the category also currently includes comics editors who worked in the comics industries in Belgium, Brazil, China, France, Italy, Mexico, the Netherlands, Serbia, and the UK. Thematthewmurray (talk) 15:56, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- If the industry of webcomics is so developed now, then yes, create a third category for them. As for Japan, Japanese comics are a specific and distinct genre in its own right. Can we say the same of the comics of those other countries? Cambalachero (talk) 16:35, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
- There are pages for Bande dessinée (Franco-Belgian comics), Brazilian comics, Comics in Mexico, Manhua (Chinese comics), Dutch comics, Serbian comics, and British comics. I am far from an expert in all of these, but I feel that some of them (such as Franco-Belgian comics) are easily as developed as Japanese comics.
- I'll also mention that the majority of other categories for comics-related positions use the term "comics." Category:Comics creators, Category:Comics writers, Category:Comics artists, Category:Comics colorists, and Category:Comics inkers. (The one exception is Category:Comic book letterers.) Additionally the subpages are in the same format: Category:Comics writers by nationality. Thematthewmurray (talk) 16:56, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- If the industry of webcomics is so developed now, then yes, create a third category for them. As for Japan, Japanese comics are a specific and distinct genre in its own right. Can we say the same of the comics of those other countries? Cambalachero (talk) 16:35, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Kingdom of Luang Phrabang[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: delete, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Merging is not needed, the subcategory is already in appropriate parents. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:25, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Central African Republic people[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Central African Republic people to Category:People from the Central African Republic
- Propose renaming Category:Central African Republic women to Category:Women from the Central African Republic
- Propose renaming Category:Central African Republic men to Category:Men from the Central African Republic
- Propose renaming Category:Central African Republic women by occupation to Category:Women from the Central African Republic by occupation
- Propose renaming Category:Central African Republic men by occupation to Category:Men from the Central African Republic by occupation
- Propose renaming Category:Central African Republic bishops to Category:Bishops from the Central African Republic by occupation
- Propose renaming Category:Central African Republic Roman Catholic bishops to Category:Roman Catholic bishops from the Central African Republic by occupation
- Nominator's rationale: Although most nationality categories are named 'Fooinan people', there are several exceptions: Category:People from Georgia (country), Category:People from Northern Ireland, Category:People from the State of Palestine, as well as almost all subcategories in Category:People by former country and about half of those in Category:People by dependent territory. I think 'People from the Central African Republic' is a much clearer and better name in English than 'Central African Republic people'. Aldij (talk) 15:18, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Categories without CatAutoTOC and friends[edit]
- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was: merge/delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 10:25, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Template Large category TOC without CatAutoTOC on category with 1,201–2,000 pages (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Categories which use Large category TOC without Automatic category TOC
- Propose merging Category:Template Large category TOC without CatAutoTOC on category with 2,001–5,000 pages (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Categories which use Large category TOC without Automatic category TOC
- Propose merging Category:Template Large category TOC without CatAutoTOC on category with 5,001–10,000 pages (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Categories which use Large category TOC without Automatic category TOC
- Propose merging Category:Template Large category TOC without CatAutoTOC on category with 10,001–20,000 pages (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Categories which use Large category TOC without Automatic category TOC
- Propose merging Category:Template Large category TOC without CatAutoTOC on category with over 20,000 pages (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Categories which use Large category TOC without Automatic category TOC
- Propose merging Category:Template Category TOC without CatAutoTOC on category with 101–200 pages (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Categories which use Category TOC without Automatic category TOC
- Propose merging Category:Template Category TOC without CatAutoTOC on category with 201–300 pages (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Categories which use Category TOC without Automatic category TOC
- Propose merging Category:Template Category TOC without CatAutoTOC on category with 301–600 pages (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Categories which use Category TOC without Automatic category TOC
- Propose merging Category:Template Category TOC without CatAutoTOC on category with 601–900 pages (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Categories which use Category TOC without Automatic category TOC
- Propose merging Category:Template Category TOC without CatAutoTOC on category with 901–1200 pages (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Categories which use Category TOC without Automatic category TOC
- Propose deleting Category:Categories without CatAutoTOC (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale:
This whole tree needs a little bit of love. I came here to propose a speedy rename from "Foo CatAutoTOC bar" to "Foo Automatic category TOC bar" following a RM at Template talk:Automatic category TOC#Requested move 28 April 2024, but I think this whole tree needs to be simplified. It is so small that diffusing by number of pages in the category is a hindrance to navigation. I will also note that Category:Categories without CatAutoTOC is terribly named: it only contains categories which use {{Category TOC}} or {{Large category TOC}} directly.
I propose we get rid of the tree and replace it with two categories, one for each template: Category:Categories which use Large category TOC without Automatic category TOC and Category:Categories which use Category TOC without Automatic category TOC. Finally, I propose we delete Category:Categories without CatAutoTOC in favor of a hatnote between the two new categories. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 21:06, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Ipswich town preachers[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Ipswich town preachers to Category:Clergy from Ipswich
- Nominator's rationale: Overlapping category that is effectively is the same. Mason (talk) 19:21, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- Propose capitalisation: move Category:Ipswich town preachers to Category:Ipswich Town Preachers. When this category entered the jigsaw world of signs, known as wikipedia, it was unclear whether the category should use uppercase letters to initialise not merely Ipswich, but also "Town Preacher". The Oxford Academic use lower case, but local historian John Blatchly goes for uppercase. I think the advantage of this that it is clear that this refers to people who held a formal role, rather than a simply being a wikipedia category that lists Clergy from Ipswich. Often Ipswich Corporation appointed people from elsewhere. Bearing in mind the significance of some of those who occupied this role such as Samuel Ward (minister) or Cave Beck, it would seem appropriate to have such a category. I feel that capitalisation will indicate the category is more formal/historical. Leutha (talk) 12:08, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Question: I've reverted your unexplained removal of this category from the proposed merge target. How is this category not Clergy from Ipswich? And why is the current category parented by 17th-century clergy. Mason (talk) 12:50, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- As can be seen from the discussion above, the category is quite formal. Many people filing this role were not from Ipswich: Samuel Ward (minister) was from Haverhill, Matthew Lawrence (preacher) was from North Lincolnshire, Cave Beck was from London. The references for the Town Preachers are largely consistent from 1604, G. R.Clarke gives a list of 7 before 1604 in his 1830 The history and description of the town and borough of Ipswich : 343 . However only one appears in Blatchly's list in his book on The Town Library of Ipswich (1989): 177 . Any suggestions as regards how to handle the earlier individuals such as Roger Kelke, the Marian exile who returned to become Ipswich Town Preacher from 1560 until 1575, according to Blatchly? ibid : 4 . Leutha (talk) 15:56, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Ok... so it sounds like this information would be better served as a list. Categories are supposed to be there to help people navigate between pages. I would *strongly* encourage you to look at how other categories handle clergy from a region.
- It seems like you are under the impression that People from a city is only for people who were born from the city. That's too narrow of a definition, as Bishops of CITY/ diocese are placed within the clergy from CITY/REGION etc category. And, so if I am understanding your very long comment, you're added the parent because there's only one example of of a precher from before the 17th century, but you don't speak to what about after the 17th century. Mason (talk) 00:44, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- As can be seen from the discussion above, the category is quite formal. Many people filing this role were not from Ipswich: Samuel Ward (minister) was from Haverhill, Matthew Lawrence (preacher) was from North Lincolnshire, Cave Beck was from London. The references for the Town Preachers are largely consistent from 1604, G. R.Clarke gives a list of 7 before 1604 in his 1830 The history and description of the town and borough of Ipswich : 343 . However only one appears in Blatchly's list in his book on The Town Library of Ipswich (1989): 177 . Any suggestions as regards how to handle the earlier individuals such as Roger Kelke, the Marian exile who returned to become Ipswich Town Preacher from 1560 until 1575, according to Blatchly? ibid : 4 . Leutha (talk) 15:56, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Question: I've reverted your unexplained removal of this category from the proposed merge target. How is this category not Clergy from Ipswich? And why is the current category parented by 17th-century clergy. Mason (talk) 12:50, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Propose capitalisation: move Category:Ipswich town preachers to Category:Ipswich Town Preachers. When this category entered the jigsaw world of signs, known as wikipedia, it was unclear whether the category should use uppercase letters to initialise not merely Ipswich, but also "Town Preacher". The Oxford Academic use lower case, but local historian John Blatchly goes for uppercase. I think the advantage of this that it is clear that this refers to people who held a formal role, rather than a simply being a wikipedia category that lists Clergy from Ipswich. Often Ipswich Corporation appointed people from elsewhere. Bearing in mind the significance of some of those who occupied this role such as Samuel Ward (minister) or Cave Beck, it would seem appropriate to have such a category. I feel that capitalisation will indicate the category is more formal/historical. Leutha (talk) 12:08, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, clergy is usually a formal role, that is not a good reason for a split. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:55, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as it's now clear that Ipswich Town Preacher was a formal appointment by the Corporation. As for the current lowercase category name format, this is correct per MOS:JOBTITLE. – Fayenatic London 10:37, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Oxford University Press Delegate[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Oxford University Press Delegate to Category:Oxford University Press people
- Nominator's rationale: Non defining. If not merged, it should be renamed to Oxford University Press "delegates" Mason (talk) 20:12, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Unreal Engine 5 games[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Duplicative with Category:Unreal Engine games. No merge required, as all members of the nominated category are in the original already. Each version of Unreal Engine is not independently notable or distinct. -- ferret (talk) 22:45, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- I disagree because Category:Unreal Engine games is very large and spans more than two decades of video games. There isn't much use in knowing that a game was made with "just" Unreal Engine from the point of view of someone reading about the game compared to knowing that it was made in Unreal 5 which tells you a lot more about what you can expect from the game both in terms of graphics and gameplay (that is, within a given specific genre). Similarly, there isn't much use in knowing a game was made in "just" Unreal from the point of view of someone reading about Unreal itslef as nobody develops games in "Unreal Engine." Consider also that the Video Game infobox Engine field usually has the Unreal Engine version listed, not just "Unreal Engine", because just listing "Unreal Engine" is not so useful. Each version of Unreal is a separate piece of software. Also, not all members of the nominated category are in the original already (at least at the time that I added some of them).
- As a separate but related point, I feel that all versions of Unreal Engine should be separate articles on Wikipedia. J2UDY7r00CRjH (talk) 22:53, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
- Shouldn't it be merged to Category:Unreal Engine games rather than deleted? Marcocapelle (talk) 17:42, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle The articles are already in both. -- ferret (talk) 20:15, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
- Ok, thank you. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:55, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle The articles are already in both. -- ferret (talk) 20:15, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 15:09, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- I propose instead of deleting the category, it should be a sub-category under Category:Unreal Engine games. In fact, I think the all the pages under this category also should be sorted by Unreal Engine type, i.e. UE1, UE2, UE3 and UE4. This rationale is made since the list of games for each Unreal Engine version is deleted, and there should be categories that list by version to clean up Category:Unreal Engine games. Otherwise the alternative is to simply delete Category:Unreal Engine games. ~ Limyx826 (talk) 19:30, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Criteria for categories are stricter than for lists so if lists per version were deleted, categories per version should certainly be deleted as well. Then Category:Unreal Engine games suffices. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:01, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:1941 junior college football season[edit]
- Keep. Member of an established class of categories. Let'srun, this is another obstructive nomination by you. I am getting very close to seeking a remedy for your behavior. Jweiss11 (talk) 14:19, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, it is pointless to diffuse junior college seasons by year. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:29, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Marcocapelle why is it pointless? I'm not even sure that Category:1941 junior college football season should be a child of Category:1941 college football season instead of a sibling under Category:1941 in American football. That needs to be discussed. Jweiss11 (talk) 20:58, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- The large amount of these categories contains only one article, this is not helpful for navigation between articles at all. The article in the nominated category is also in Category:Junior college football undefeated seasons, and while I am not sure if "undefeated" is a defining characteristic, at least this category does provide the opportunity to navigate easily to a significant number of related articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 23:58, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Marcocapelle why is it pointless? I'm not even sure that Category:1941 junior college football season should be a child of Category:1941 college football season instead of a sibling under Category:1941 in American football. That needs to be discussed. Jweiss11 (talk) 20:58, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, per Jweiss. BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:23, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, per Jweiss. Thetreesarespeakingtome (talk) 21:49, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Female drug traffickers[edit]
- Propose splitting Category:Female drug traffickers to Category:Female criminals and Category:Drug traffickers
- Nominator's rationale: Non-defining intersection between gender, criminal, and specific kind of crime committed. I don't think that this holds up under WP:EGRS. Mason (talk) 03:06, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, how is this any less defining than other subcategories of Category:Female criminals? AHI-3000 (talk) 05:38, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Feel free to nominate sibling categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:47, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, how is this any less defining than other subcategories of Category:Female criminals? AHI-3000 (talk) 05:38, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Split There is no main article for female drug traffickers, which is a good indication it's not defining. If someone can prove otherwise and/or make a main article, I would think otherwise. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:09, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Single merge to Category:Drug traffickers only. There is no need for a dual merge. The large amount of articles is already in the tree of Category:Female gangsters and if they aren't, such as Schapelle Corby, then Category:Female criminals is an equally questionable target. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:45, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose I see no reason to not divide criminals by their gender. Gender is always defining. Dimadick (talk) 17:55, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- On the contrary, it is hardly ever a defining intersection. That is why we have WP:OCEGRS. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:16, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- How is this any less defining than other subcategories for female criminals? AHI-3000 (talk) 00:26, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- That is an WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument. Feel free to nominate the sibling categories too. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:03, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- How is this any less defining than other subcategories for female criminals? AHI-3000 (talk) 00:26, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- On the contrary, it is hardly ever a defining intersection. That is why we have WP:OCEGRS. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:16, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists assassins[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: There's only one actual page in here along with a redirect. Merge for now, as this page isn't very helpful for navigation. Mason (talk) 02:49, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Dual merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:50, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Dual merge per nom: I created this category, but as the nom points out it doesn't seem to be a useful intersection. GCarty (talk) 06:48, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Sexual violence in the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one page in here, which makes it difficult to navigation between the various related pages in the parent categories. Mason (talk) 00:50, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Triple merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:52, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Triple upmerge for now without prejudice per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 17:01, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:The Legend of Zelda (TV series)[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: The main and only article for this category was merged. The redirect category could be merged into Category:Works based on The Legend of Zelda, but I am not sure on that. (Oinkers42) (talk) 00:30, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to Category:Works based on The Legend of Zelda per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:54, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to Category:Works based on The Legend of Zelda per above --Lenticel (talk) 06:02, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:First-person video games[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Unlike the other category I nominated for deletion (Video games using procedural generation) this category sincerely deserves to go. Firstly, it's not much defining trait for all video games as a whole (more defining for shooters and some adventure games). Secondly, it does not include every single title that is first-person (such as Subnatica or Baldi's Basics isn't there). In conclusion, this category just doesn't work and more importantly does not list every single First-Person Game. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 23:18, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose If it doesn't include every single first-person video game, that means you should Populate the category, not Delete it. It has a main article, it has subcategories, and all of these appear to be WP:DEFINING. Go ahead and put Subnatica and Baldi's Basics in the category, that seems a good idea. Good day. NLeeuw (talk) 04:54, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:People from Imperial China by religion[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:15, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Companies based in Williston[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Single-entry microcategory for a small town. Categories like this do not automatically need to exist for every place that has one company based there, and should wait until there are five or six companies to file in it. For added bonus, the article filed here was left duplicate-filed in both the Category:Companies based in North Dakota and Category:Williston, North Dakota parents alongside this, so no upmerging is even needed because it's already in both of the potential upmerge targets. Bearcat (talk) 17:51, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:59, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Manufacturing companies based in West Fargo, North Dakota[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Manufacturing companies based in West Fargo, North Dakota to Category:Manufacturing companies based in North Dakota and Category:Companies based in Fargo–Moorhead
- Propose merging Category:Manufacturing companies based in Fargo, North Dakota to Category:Manufacturing companies based in North Dakota and Category:Companies based in Fargo–Moorhead
- Nominator's rationale: Overly narrow intersection of characteristics, resulting in categories with just one entry each. While some "Manufacturing companies based in Specific-City" categories do exist for major US cities with a lot of articles to be filed there, like Los Angeles or Chicago or NYC, they do not need to exist right across the board the moment a smaller city or town has one manufacturing company with an article.
No prejudice against recreation in the future if and when there are five or six articles that can be filed in each of them, but it does not aid navigation to funnel everything down into microcategories of one. Bearcat (talk) 17:46, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:01, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Gjs238 (talk) 17:13, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Natural death while driving[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Category for a non-defining characteristic. We certainly have some categories for the cause of people's deaths, but we do not have any scheme of categorizing people for tangential circumstances around their deaths, such as what otherwise unrelated thing they happened to be doing at the time. So if driving a car wasn't the cause of their death (e.g. in a car accident), then the relationship between death and driving is not a category-worthy characteristic.
It's also not at all applicable to one of the two people filed here — Grace Kelly survived both the initial brain hemorrhage and her car going over a cliff, and died only the next day of a second cerebral hemorrhage that she suffered in the hospital after having been diagnosed with a good chance of surviving the first one. So she clearly didn't die while driving, and the category wouldn't belong on her even if it were defining for anybody else. (To be fair, I will grant that most people probably "remember" her death as being caused by the car accident itself, rather than all the nuances, but "correcting popular misconceptions" is not what categories are for.) Bearcat (talk) 17:07, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Strong delete per nom. Well-argued, I completely agree with the rationale here. We could create all sorts of interesting categories like Natural death while watching television, Natural death while reading the newspaper in the dentist's waiting room or Natural death while walking the dog around the block, but this is all WP:NONDEFINING. NLeeuw (talk) 18:26, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per above. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:02, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per above. Gjs238 (talk) 00:33, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:South Park episodes featuring video game consoles[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Category for a non-defining characteristic. We do not have any scheme of "[Series] episodes featuring [minor plot point]" categories for this to be a part of, and the episodes are not defined by having video game consoles in them as plot points. Bearcat (talk) 17:01, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as this is a non-defining characteristic. Let'srun (talk) 03:05, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Chicago and North Western Railroad municipalities[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Single-entry category for a non-defining characteristic. Wikipedia does not have any established scheme of categorizing populated places for the railway lines that happen to pass through them, and one small village of just 1,500 people does not need special treatment over and above all the other towns and cities in the world that are located on railway lines but not categorized for that. Bearcat (talk) 16:41, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:43, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Macedonian people[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Macedonian people to Category:People from North Macedonia
- Nominator's rationale: Per MOS:MAC
categories should avoid adjectival use altogether. The use of neutral formulations such as "of North Macedonia", "in North Macedonia," etc. is preferred.
Although most nationality categories are named 'Fooinan people', there are already several exceptions: Category:People from Georgia (country), Category:People from Northern Ireland, Category:People from the State of Palestine, as well as almost all subcategories in Category:People by former country and about half of those in Category:People by dependent territory. Aldij (talk) 16:37, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose The 2018 Prespa Agreement stipulated in Article 1. Section 3.b:
The nationality of the Second Party shall be Macedonian/citizen of the Republic of North Macedonia, as it will be registered in all travel documents.
This is one of the compromises with binding legal effect: the country is called North Macedonia, but its nationals are called Macedonians. Therefore, we should not divergence from the Fooian people naming scheme for categories in the Category:People by nationality tree. NLeeuw (talk) 18:32, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:UK MPs 2019–present[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:UK MPs 2019–present to Category:UK MPs 2019–2024
- Nominator's rationale: A general election has just been announced and Parliament will be dissolved by the end of the week. --Ferien (talk) 16:18, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Alt proposal: speedy rename to Category:MPs elected in the 2019 United Kingdom general election per WP:C2D List of MPs elected in the 2019 United Kingdom general election. This makes sense and prevents us from having to rename categories continuously whenever Parliament is dissolved. NLeeuw (talk) 20:38, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Nederlandse Leeuw, it's a bit misleading to call the category "MPs elected in the 2019 United Kingdom general election" when 23 of the MPs were elected in by-elections instead. 2019–2024 describes the Parliament the MPs are sitting in and for this reason, I'm not entirely sure the title of that article is ideal for covering by-elections, although that is a discussion for another forum. Part of me wants to say sort by Parliament and call this one UK MPs of 58th Parliament or something similar, but would that be familiar enough for readers?.. I'm not sure. --Ferien (talk) 21:35, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
Canadian families by ancestry[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:African-Canadian families to Category:Canadian families of African ancestry
- Propose renaming Category:American-Canadian families to Category:Canadian families of American ancestry
- Propose renaming Category:British-Canadian families to Category:Canadian families of British ancestry
- Propose renaming Category:English-Canadian families to Category:Canadian families of English ancestry
- Propose renaming Category:Scottish-Canadian families to Category:Canadian families of Scottish ancestry
- Propose renaming Category:French-Canadian families to Category:Canadian families of French ancestry
- Propose renaming Category:Irish-Canadian families to Category:Canadian families of Irish ancestry
- Nominator's rationale: Standard for Category:Families by ancestry tree. Aldij (talk) 16:00, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:56, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
Russian families by ancestry[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Standard for Category:Families by ancestry tree. Aldij (talk) 15:56, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:59, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
Template:Turkmenistan-women-footy-bio-stub[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary stub template. Wikipedia does not have any standard practice of segregating male and female footballers with separate stub templates or categories -- stub is a temporary maintenance state of the article, not a core characteristic of the subject, so the stub category system does not always need to be as precisely trait-sorted as main permanent content categories are. (See e.g. actors and actresses, who are gender-sorted in main content categories but share one common stub category rather than being gender-sorted in that tree.) So we just tag women and men with the same "Country-footy-bio-stub" tag, and I can't find any other country where male and female footballers have separate stub tags or categories from each other.
Yet this was newly created within the past week, for just one person whose article wasn't even a stub in the first place and thus wouldn't even have needed the already-existing {{Turkmenistan-footy-bio-stub}} anyway, and tried to file her in a redlinked stub category that doesn't exist to have people filed in it but could not have been created for less than 60 people either — so the only alternative would have been to replace it with the same category that the other template is already using, thus vitiating any reason why two separate templates would have been needed even if the article had been a stub. Bearcat (talk) 15:28, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:05, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:European families of Irish ancestry[edit]
- Propose merging Category:European families of English ancestry to Category:Families of English ancestry
- Propose merging Category:European families of Irish ancestry to Category:Families of Irish ancestry
- Nominator's rationale: There is no need for separate categories for European nationalities. Aldij (talk) 13:50, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:09, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Indian royals in British Indian Army[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Indian royals in British Indian Army to Category:British Indian Army personnel and splitting to Category:19th-century Indian royalty and Category:20th-century Indian royalty (BIA runs from 1895 to 1947 i think)
- Propose merging Category:Indian royals in Indian Army to Category:Indian Army personnel and Category:20th-century Indian royalty
- Propose merging Category:Former Indian royals in Pakistani Army to Category:20th-century Pakistani military personnel and Category:20th-century Indian royalty
- Nominator's rationale: Dual merge. This is an interesting, but non-defining intersection between royalty, nationality, military service. Perhaps a list? Mason (talk) 11:50, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Mason, thanks for the consideration of these categories. I created these three categories because Indian royals did have representation in the British Indian Army. These were mostly in ceremonial roles, as, for instance, honorary colonel, honorary major general, or more substantively in some cases, as, for instance, involvement in actual fighting or sending troops to the fights of the British Indian Army. The royals to whom I have added these three categories are all princes, rajas, or maharajas of Indian princely states. British India was composed of these two kinds of territories - regions under direct British administration, and the princely states, which came under the suzerainty of the British Crown. The rulers of the latter were required to provide men for various imperial wars, and sometimes went to serve in such wars themselves too. By creating these three categories, I thought of pooling together known instances of Indian princely state rulers and their family members who were in any capacity related to the British Indian Army. One of these three categories, however, can do better with renaming: Former Indian royals in Pakistani Army can simply become Former royals in Pakistani Army. Ultimately, however, whether to keep these three categories or not is your call, of course. Let me know what you think. Best wishes. Apandeyhp89 (talk) 15:46, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the added context. What you've written here sounds like a good case for a list or an brief article. The challenge is that categories need to be DEFINING as in the characteristic could (and often is) mentioned in the lead or is something that meets the criteria under WP:EGRS. Were these people regularly described as being Royals in the British Indian Army? Mason (talk) 23:20, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- That's true, perhaps then these would do better as a list. While these individuals would wear the same uniforms as others if in active service (that wasn't often the case), their commanding officer would know this person was a royal, and the officer would make it sure to neither give hard manual tasks to such personnel nor send them in the heat of battles. More often, the royals to whom I added these categories were given honorary ranks by the British Indian Army for having provided men from their princely states for colonial military expeditions and wars, such as the Waziristan campaigns, World War I and II, etc., and sometimes just as symbols of political expediency. Apandeyhp89 (talk) 09:24, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the added context. What you've written here sounds like a good case for a list or an brief article. The challenge is that categories need to be DEFINING as in the characteristic could (and often is) mentioned in the lead or is something that meets the criteria under WP:EGRS. Were these people regularly described as being Royals in the British Indian Army? Mason (talk) 23:20, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Mason, thanks for the consideration of these categories. I created these three categories because Indian royals did have representation in the British Indian Army. These were mostly in ceremonial roles, as, for instance, honorary colonel, honorary major general, or more substantively in some cases, as, for instance, involvement in actual fighting or sending troops to the fights of the British Indian Army. The royals to whom I have added these three categories are all princes, rajas, or maharajas of Indian princely states. British India was composed of these two kinds of territories - regions under direct British administration, and the princely states, which came under the suzerainty of the British Crown. The rulers of the latter were required to provide men for various imperial wars, and sometimes went to serve in such wars themselves too. By creating these three categories, I thought of pooling together known instances of Indian princely state rulers and their family members who were in any capacity related to the British Indian Army. One of these three categories, however, can do better with renaming: Former Indian royals in Pakistani Army can simply become Former royals in Pakistani Army. Ultimately, however, whether to keep these three categories or not is your call, of course. Let me know what you think. Best wishes. Apandeyhp89 (talk) 15:46, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, trivial intersection. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:11, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Asian families by ancestry[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Asian families by ancestry to Category:Families of Asian ancestry
- Nominator's rationale: Matching actual content, subcategories contain only families of Asian ancestry, but not exclusively from Asian countries. Aldij (talk) 09:56, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Rename, per actual content, as reflected in the names of the subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:15, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:European families by ancestry[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:European families by ancestry to Category:Families of European ancestry
- Nominator's rationale: Matching actual content, subcategories contain only families of European ancestry, but not exclusively from European countries. Aldij (talk) 09:54, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Rename, per actual content, as reflected in the names of the subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:16, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Canne de combat competitions[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Canne de combat competitions to Category:Canne de combat
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only two pages in the full Canne de combat tree, which isn't helpful for navigation. Mason (talk) 05:03, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge both to Category:Stick-fighting, effectively per nom's rationale. I will tag Category:Canne de combat too. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:40, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
Lenape[edit]
- Nominator's rationale For the purposes of consistency and concision, move to simply "Lenape". Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 04:10, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support per article title Lenape. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:44, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support - per nom as pointed out by @Marcocapelle. --ARoseWolf 15:29, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Lenni means "people", so "people of people" is redundant. Yuchitown (talk) 04:21, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Orientls (talk) 09:56, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:French mixed martial artists of Black African descent[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge. There's no other althetic category like this in Black French sportspeople. I don't think that this category passes EGRS. If kept, this category needs to be renamed to either Black French mixed martial artists or French mixed martial artists of African descent, to be consistent with other descent categories. Mason (talk) 02:51, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Dual merge, trivial intersection. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:46, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
Involving former countries or by former country involved[edit]
- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was: withdrawn (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 13:47, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Option A: X involving former countries
- Example: Category:Wars involving former countries.
- Example: Category:Civil wars in former countries
- Propose renaming Category:Lists of wars by former country to Category:Lists of wars involving former countries (child of Category:Wars involving former countries and Category:Lists of wars by country involved)
- Propose renaming Category:Wars of the Middle Ages by former country to Category:Wars of the Middle Ages involving former countries (child of Category:Wars involving former countries)
- Propose renaming Category:Battles by former country involved to Category:Battles involving former countries (child of Category:Battles by country involved)
- Propose renaming Category:Sieges by former country involved to Category:Sieges involving former countries (child of Category:Sieges by country involved and Category:Battles involving former countries)
- Propose creating Category:Lists of battles involving former countries (as a child of Category:Battles involving former countries and Category:Lists of battles by country involved)
- Option B: X by former country involved
- Example: Category:Battles by former country involved
- Example: Category:Sieges by former country involved
- Propose renaming Category:Wars involving former countries to Category:Wars by former country involved
- Propose renaming Category:Lists of wars by former country to Category:Lists of wars by former country involved
- Propose renaming Category:Wars of the Middle Ages by former country to Category:Wars of the Middle Ages by former country involved
- Propose creating Category:Lists of battles by former country involved (as a child of Category:Battles by former country involved and Category:Lists of battles by country involved)
- Intro: This is a preliminary discussion. This issue traces back to 8 years ago, when Wars involving former countries in March 2016 and Battles by former country in December 2016 were created, apparently independent of each other. I've recently initiated a push for adding the word "involved" to the latter type of catnames to avoid confusion with "battles *in* Fooland" (see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 4#Category:Battles by country and WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN). There are 2 options to resolve this inconsistency:
- Option A rationale: This has my strong preference, as it is shorter and unambiguous. E.g. "Sieges by former country involved" might suggest it means a country that was formerly involved in a siege. Imagine how Fooian and Barian soldiers were besieging city X, but then the Barian army decided to give up and go home, while the Fooians maintained the siege. An editor might think: "Ah, that's a siege formerly involving Bar!", even if Bar is a country that still exists today rather than a former country. That's the kind of confusion we should prevent. A disadvantage is that we'll get a slightly odd tree where "involving former countries" will become children of "by country involved", as is already the case with Category:Wars involving former countries). And it might be silly to rename the parents to something like Category:Wars involving countries, as the vast majority of wars involves countries rather than non-state actors (rebel groups, mercenaries etc.). But that slight inconsistency doesn't weigh up to the clarity and brevity of "former countries". We can decide that this is an important naming convention to be followed (thus falling under WP:C2B in future cases).
- Option B rationale: This is the alternative, sticking to the "by country involved" formula that is currently being adopted for cats involving countries that still exist today. (I actually initiated that process myself some days ago before realising it might pose problems for former countries). The main advantage is consistency through the entire tree, something that can fall under WP:C2C in future cases. However, the disadvantages outlined above about it being longer and especially being ambiguous about "countries formerly involved" lead me to conclude this option should not be our preference. I can pretty much guarantee that with ongoing wars, editors are going to miscategorise countries that still exist today as having pulled out of the ongoing war as a "former country involved" (a good reason why that category in particular is already named "wars involving former countries" instead, preventing exactly this kind of confusion from happening, even if the creator might not have had that conscious intention when picking a catname). But I'm putting it up for consideration by the community, because it is a serious alternative.
- PS: I haven't tagged any categories yet. I prefer to have this preliminary discussion first before tagging the relevant categories with a proposed new name, otherwise I would have to be tagging all of them both ways, and that's not very helpful for everyone's understanding. When this discussion has a clear result for A or B, I'll tag the relevant categories accordingly and ping all participants for a follow-up to confirm. NLeeuw (talk) 02:57, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- I will happily support a proposal that improves consistency in the tree but I do not have a preference between A and B. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:52, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment To rename Category:Wars by country involved to Category:Wars involving countries might not be such a 'silly' idea on closer inspection. Parent Category:Wars by belligerent party and especially grandparent Category:Military operations by belligerent party suggest plenty of non-state actors or supranational actors such as the UN, African Union, EU or interstate military alliances (Warsaw Pact, NATO) as belligerent parties. To assume that countries or "nation-states" are the default type of belligerent party is perhaps a modern bias. There have been plenty of wars without "countries" as belligerent parties. Adopting "involving countries" instead of "by country involved" throughout the entire tree, including for countries that still exist today, would solve both the inconsistencies and the ambiguities. What do you think, @Marcocapelle? NLeeuw (talk) 06:10, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- PS: Siblings could include Category:Battles involving peoples, with children such as Category:Battles by ancient peoples and Category:Battles involving Turkic peoples (the "Turkic" part is questionable per WP:NONDEFINING, but that's a follow-up question). They are now often in the "by country involved" tree, but peoples aren't "countries". I put some of them in the Category:Military operations by belligerent party for now, but they should probably have a separate tree. NLeeuw (talk) 06:47, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- In principle that is a very fair point (I also remember Sikh warriors collectively existing long before there was a Sikh nation state) but I am not sure how that relates to the choice between A and B. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:54, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Well, because it makes option B irrelevant. We would be changing the rest of the tree to be consistent with Category:Wars involving former countries; not just downwards (as proposed by Option A), but also upwards, by renaming Category:Wars by country involved to Category:Wars involving countries, and Category:Battles by country involved to Category:Battles involving countries. NLeeuw (talk) 14:22, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- I recently had a good discussion with Mellk about how to categorise battles in the Russian Civil War by belligerent, especially the so-called White movement or White Army, which is a catch-all term for a wide variety of disparate groups formations and units. We agreed that they often weren't de jure or de facto connected to any "state" (just a few unrecognised proto-states such as South Russia (1919–1920) and the Russian State (1918-1920)). Categories like Category:Battles involving the Volunteer Army and Category:Battles involving the Armed Forces of South Russia probably do not belong in the battles by (former) country / battles involving (former) countries tree, like Category:Battles involving Russia. They were belligerent parties, but not as "countries". By letting the "by country involved" formula go as the default standard, we can also better organise such categories in trees for non-state belligerent parties. NLeeuw (talk) 14:37, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Alright, I've WP:BOLDly created Category:Battles involving peoples as an example. We could do the same with countries, and with wars, throughout the entire tree. It's basically Option A, but both downwards and upwards instead of only downwards (namely, only for countries that no longer exist). NLeeuw (talk) 16:36, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle Do you understand what I'm saying? And do you agree with it? NLeeuw (talk) 06:05, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- I certainly agree with Category:Battles involving peoples. The Huns is a very well-known example. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:26, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle Do you understand what I'm saying? And do you agree with it? NLeeuw (talk) 06:05, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Alright, I've WP:BOLDly created Category:Battles involving peoples as an example. We could do the same with countries, and with wars, throughout the entire tree. It's basically Option A, but both downwards and upwards instead of only downwards (namely, only for countries that no longer exist). NLeeuw (talk) 16:36, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- I recently had a good discussion with Mellk about how to categorise battles in the Russian Civil War by belligerent, especially the so-called White movement or White Army, which is a catch-all term for a wide variety of disparate groups formations and units. We agreed that they often weren't de jure or de facto connected to any "state" (just a few unrecognised proto-states such as South Russia (1919–1920) and the Russian State (1918-1920)). Categories like Category:Battles involving the Volunteer Army and Category:Battles involving the Armed Forces of South Russia probably do not belong in the battles by (former) country / battles involving (former) countries tree, like Category:Battles involving Russia. They were belligerent parties, but not as "countries". By letting the "by country involved" formula go as the default standard, we can also better organise such categories in trees for non-state belligerent parties. NLeeuw (talk) 14:37, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Well, because it makes option B irrelevant. We would be changing the rest of the tree to be consistent with Category:Wars involving former countries; not just downwards (as proposed by Option A), but also upwards, by renaming Category:Wars by country involved to Category:Wars involving countries, and Category:Battles by country involved to Category:Battles involving countries. NLeeuw (talk) 14:22, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- In principle that is a very fair point (I also remember Sikh warriors collectively existing long before there was a Sikh nation state) but I am not sure how that relates to the choice between A and B. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:54, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Withdraw as nom. The preliminary discussion was helpful for figuring out the most reasonable and workable solution to the identified issues. I can now formulate a follow-up discussion that will tag the relevant categories accordingly. NLeeuw (talk) 08:16, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle Could you perhaps non-admin close this one as Withdrawn, so that we can proceed with the follow-up at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 25#Involving countries? Thanks in advance! NLeeuw (talk) 13:39, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Nominator's rationale: Purge of articles about individual films per Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 3#Subcategories of Category:Film controversies by country and other such discussions on that day's page. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 00:18, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Purge per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 02:37, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Purge per nom. Also, shouldn't it become noun-related, i.e. sex-related or sexuality-related? Marcocapelle (talk) 05:55, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle and Nederlandse Leeuw: how would you feel about a rename to Category:Sex-related controversies in film (in addition to purging)? HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 02:56, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Seems fine, as long as it is clear that sex as activity rather than biological sex is meant? Alternately, "sexuality-related" might also cut it. NLeeuw (talk) 05:31, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- NLeeuw has a good point, sex is ambiguous so sexuality will do a better job. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:34, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Seems fine, as long as it is clear that sex as activity rather than biological sex is meant? Alternately, "sexuality-related" might also cut it. NLeeuw (talk) 05:31, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle and Nederlandse Leeuw: how would you feel about a rename to Category:Sex-related controversies in film (in addition to purging)? HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 02:56, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Sex scandals in French cinema[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: I would say that this needs to be purged of individual films (and people, who are for some reason in this category) à la Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 3#Subcategories of Category:Film controversies by country, but that would leave this as a single-member category (containing Roman Polanski sexual abuse case). Delete, and manually add Roman Polanski sexual abuse case to Category:Sexual-related controversies in film. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 00:10, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:13, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. I initially read this as "Sex scandals in French cinemas." But that's a very different scope. I'm kind of disappointed now... NLeeuw (talk) 02:36, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:57, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
May 21[edit]
Newspapers published in Western Australia by region[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Newspapers published in Goldfields-Esperance (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Newspapers of the Goldfields-Esperance region of Western Australia
- Propose renaming Category:Pilbara newspapers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Newspapers of the Pilbara region of Western Australia
- Propose renaming Category:South West Newspapers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Newspapers of the South West region of Western Australia
- Nominator's rationale: I'm proposing renaming these categories for consistency with the following existing categories:
- Category:Newspapers of the Mid West region of Western Australia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:Newspapers of the Peel region of Western Australia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:Newspapers of the Wheatbelt region of Western Australia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- There are also four other regions (the Gascoyne, Great Southern, Kimberley and Perth metropolitan regions) without categories at present, but I plan to work on articles for as many of Australia's newspapers as I can so I expect these categories to be necessary at some point. The only reason for this nomination is for consistency amongst sub-category names, so I wouldn't be opposed to another naming scheme. This one just makes the most sense to me. Adam Black talk • contributions 16:29, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Note: WikiProject Western Australia notified of this discussion. Adam Black talk • contributions 21:23, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Update: I have now created the categories for the remaining three Western Australian regions,
- Category:Newspapers of the Gascoyne region of Western Australia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:Newspapers of the Great Southern region of Western Australia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:Newspapers of the Kimberley region of Western Australia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Therefore six of the ten subcategories now follow the same naming scheme. I would also like to add another category to this nomination:
- The rationale is the same as for the original proposal. Adam Black talk • contributions 07:30, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Merge all to Category:Newspapers published in Western Australia, apart from Perth there is no reason for diffusion. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:02, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- There are currently 381 Western Australian newspapers listed on Trove alone. Not all of them have articles, and not all of them will be notable enough for their own articles, but I believe a significant portion will be. You haven't really given a rationale for why these categories should all be merged or why Perth should be a standout, just "there is no reason for diffusion". I think it helps readers navigate what could become quite a large category. Adam Black t • c 12:20, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think Perth should be a standout. My point is that only if there would be as much content in every category as in Perth's category it would be worthwhile to diffuse. But that is not the case. The current microcategories are merely a hindrance for easy navigation between related articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:27, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- There are currently 381 Western Australian newspapers listed on Trove alone. Not all of them have articles, and not all of them will be notable enough for their own articles, but I believe a significant portion will be. You haven't really given a rationale for why these categories should all be merged or why Perth should be a standout, just "there is no reason for diffusion". I think it helps readers navigate what could become quite a large category. Adam Black t • c 12:20, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- strong objection to most of this discussions assumptions. As creator of the microcategories in discussion here, they were created in the presumption that the project of the National Library and ALIA to support each state library system to improve content about Australian newspapers state by state to help create content for material in Trove would be something that would be expanded upon regularly. The result in other states is highly variable in quality and organisation - in the Western Australian content there was a library employee who edited on WA content, and there was every hope that there would be followed on editing for more newspapers for each region than is being discussed here. The subsequent lack of followon editing is a case throughout wikipedia, this is not an orphan. I believe how sensible Adam might think he is in wanting to qualify the regional title, or Marco in being a category worker extraordinaire (and that should be noted is much appreciated ), the lack of background always astounds me here at CFD. I think that for the purposes of what the original project had intended, will be made much more of a hell of a mess and difficult to navigate the regional distinctions of western australian geographical range, and how it also affects understanding of the original reasons for the regional separation. As a consequence, I strongly object to reducing to one category, as it interferes with a project that would have increased valid items for each subcategory. As for the renaming - it is paradoxical, in view of many australian places have qualifier state names, whereas here there is no need.JarrahTree 01:21, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Admitted Soviet spies[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Admitted Soviet spies to Category:Soviet spies
- Nominator's rationale: I don't think that this intersection between being admitted as a spie and being a soviet spie is defining. And if it is, then we probably need to rename this category to reflect that many of these people were not soviet nationals, but Category:Spies for the Soviet Union Mason (talk) 23:55, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Just delete, the articles are already in Category:American people convicted of spying for the Soviet Union and similar categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:06, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Wikipedians interested in the Andean states[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Per deletion of Andean states * Pppery * it has begun... 23:51, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, Category:Wikipedians interested in Ecuador appears to suffice. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:07, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Film controversies in France[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Not viable as a category after it was purged as a result of Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 3#Subcategories of Category:Film controversies by country: only two subcategories and zero articles. Merging is not needed imo; both subcategories are already in the category trees they need to be in. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 23:48, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. I was about to say, merge to Category:Cinema of France, but the subcategories are parented to that one already. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:09, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 04:45, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:User und[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Nonsensical. * Pppery * it has begun... 23:37, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:East Midlands franchaise[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Has a typo. Correct category Category:East Midlands franchise has already been created so cannot be renamed, therefore delete. DankJae 21:43, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, this could have been tagged as WP:C1, it does not require discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:12, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oh I see that User:JuniperChill removed the C1 tag, that wasn't very helpful. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:14, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Films directed by David S. F. Wilson[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Overcategorization: This is a category for films directed by someone who has either never had or no longer has a Wikipedia article about them. It has only one entry and a search for additional articles that meet the criteria of this category turned up no results. Vegantics (talk) 19:43, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:18, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep The relevant part of WP:Overcategorization has been deprecated; it also said this type of category was an exception. The only reason this is no longer mentioned in the guideline is that the consensus to delete small categories no longer exists. Peter James (talk) 11:55, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Battles in Île-de-France[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Battles in Île-de-France to Category:Military history of Île-de-France
- Nominator's rationale: WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN. Recent precedents have favoured (up)merging to "Military history of X", but such a category does not yet exist for Île-de-France, so we might as well rename this one. NLeeuw (talk) 16:59, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Courtesy ping @Marcocapelle: what do you think? NLeeuw (talk) 17:00, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Rename and re-parent per precedent. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:24, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Only if all categories in Category:Battles by location in France are renamed; it's misleading to have that category but only include an arbitrary selection of regions. Peter James (talk) 01:22, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- I fully intend to do a follow-up of the remaning children of Category:Battles by location in France, as I am currently doing for Category:Battles by location in Germany. I just picked this one as it also has subcategories, as a probe to confirm recent precedents and to prepare for that follow-up to be relatively uncontroversial and broadly supported. NLeeuw (talk) 04:49, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Sugar[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Sugar to Category:Sugars
- Nominator's rationale: They are too similar MRTFR55 (talk) 16:34, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- The names are too similar, ok, but the content isn't. It is clearly a topic category versus a set category. However, Category:Sugars may be renamed e.g. to Category:Types of sugar in order to clarify its purpose. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:43, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- I agree they are different categories, and Category:Sugar is consistent with the main article. Peter James (talk) 01:24, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:2024 Varzaqan helicopter crash[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Has one article only; delete, with no objections to recreation if there is more on the matter. I'm not sure about the victims category is necessary either because other victim of aviation categories are often major air disasters. I would not considered this one on that scale. Would like to hear the opinions of others on it. Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:09, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete for now, without objection to recreate the category when some more articles are available. This is not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:45, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete for now. I think that this category isn't helpful with only one page and a category of the victims. This just adds an extra click, which if anything could negatively impact navigation (rather than just being unhelpful). Mason (talk) 00:09, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete for now without prejudice. NLeeuw (talk) 03:25, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Manager of the Year Award winners[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: Withdrawn. Will check in with WP:Baseball first about categories. (non-admin closure) Omnis Scientia (talk) 18:41, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Rename per WP:C2D; article is Major League Baseball Manager of the Year Award. I tried to change it via speedy rename but, for whatever reason, it changed the name of the parent category instead. I tried again but it still hasn't changed. Hence why I'm trying it through full Cfd. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:08, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:OCAWARD. (Or if not, then rename per nom.) Marcocapelle (talk) 16:47, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, all major MLB awards have categories. But I'll ping @Muboshgu for their input on the matter. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:10, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. This is not an overcategorization. No opinion on whether or not to rename. Rlendog (talk) 12:50, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Rlendog, well rename is necessary because "Manager of the Year Award" alone is ambiguous because it doesn't specify manager of what. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:09, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Stakhanov, Ukraine[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Stakhanov, Ukraine to Category:Kadiivka
- Nominator's rationale: Due to the name of the main article, Kadiivka. Yuriy Kvach (talk) 09:48, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per WP:C2D. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:35, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per WP:C2D. Category has not been tagged yet. NLeeuw (talk) 03:27, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Toll roads in Washington, D.C.[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Toll roads in Washington, D.C. to Category:Roads in Washington, D.C.
- Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary layer for navigation. Let'srun (talk) 04:04, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Just delete I guess. Having a roads category with a bridges subcategory would be rather odd. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:36, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Victims of helicopter accidents or incidents in Iran[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) Mason (talk) 03:13, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Redudant category layer. Upmerge for now. I looked and was unable to find any other victims of helicopter crashes in Iran Mason (talk) 02:58, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- I finally found another one! https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Albert_Lamorisse&oldid=1224893436 Mason (talk) 03:12, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
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Migrant to the Ottoman Empire people from British India[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Turkish people of Hindkowan descent to Category:People of Hindkowan descent
- Propose merging Category:Turkish people of Kashmiri descent to Category:People of Kashmiri descent
- Propose merging Category:Turkish people of Pashtun descent to Category:People of Pashtun descent
- Nominator's rationale: option A: merge, three categories for only one article is not helpful for navigation. Option B:delete, the article is already in Category:Emigrants from British India and Category:Immigrants to the Ottoman Empire which seems to suffice. For a citizen of the Ottoman Empire it is irrelevant which specific Indian ethnicities all of his ancestors had. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:46, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Which option?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 00:59, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Concert tours of Europe by South Korean artists[edit]
- Propose deleting Category:Concert tours of Europe by South Korean artists (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Concert tours of Europe by South Korean artists in 2010 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Concert tours of Europe by South Korean artists in 2011 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Concert tours of Europe by South Korean artists in 2012 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Concert tours of Europe by South Korean artists in 2013 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Concert tours of Europe by South Korean artists in 2014 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Concert tours of Europe by South Korean artists in 2015 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Concert tours of Europe by South Korean artists in 2016 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Concert tours of Europe by South Korean artists in 2017 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Concert tours of Europe by South Korean artists in 2018 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Concert tours of Europe by South Korean artists in 2019 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Concert tours of Europe by South Korean artists in 2020 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Concert tours of Europe by South Korean artists in 2021 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Concert tours of Europe by South Korean artists in 2022 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Concert tours of Europe by South Korean artists in 2023 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Concert tours of Europe by South Korean artists in 2024 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:South Korean artists with concert tours of Europe in 2012 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:South Korean artists with concert tours of Europe in 2014 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:South Korean artists with concert tours of Europe in 2015 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:South Korean artists with concert tours of Europe in 2016 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:South Korean artists with concert tours of Europe in 2017 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:South Korean artists with concert tours of Europe in 2018 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:South Korean artists with concert tours of Europe in 2019 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:South Korean artists with concert tours of Europe in 2020 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:South Korean artists with concert tours of Europe in 2022 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:South Korean artists with concert tours of Europe in 2023 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Non-defining characteristics of event × continent × nationality ×occupation against the guidance of WP:PERFCAT. This is an attempt to circumvent Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of K-pop concerts held outside Asia, see WT:KO#List of K-pop concerts held outside Asia. ✗plicit 00:33, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete all, same reason why there is no "American artists with concert tours of Europe" and the likes. ɴᴋᴏɴ21 ❯❯❯ talk 02:11, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as per nom. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 02:16, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, strongly agree to above reasoning. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 • [𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺] 03:45, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete all per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 03:29, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:New South Wales rugby union team players[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: The two are covering the same team and should be merged. Especially as New South Wales rugby union team redirects to the Waratahs. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 09:26, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nomination. This was the same side. Where is the dividing line drawn? If 1995, as I suspect, that is entirely arbitrary, there was Super 10 (rugby union) and Super 6 Rugby which were predecessor competitions run on exactly the same lines as early Super Rugby. All players at the Waratahs now, as pre-95, have a theoretical club side in the Shute Shield they can play for when not selected. Skeene88 (talk) 08:51, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
Keep: Perhaps there's a better way, but this was an attempt on my part to differentiate between the professional Super Rugby era iteration of the team and the historical side. This would be in the same way rugby league has Category:New South Wales Rugby League State of Origin players as a subcat of Category:New South Wales rugby league team players (though both are captured in the one article). Maybe an option would be to move Category:New South Wales Waratahs players to Category:New South Wales Waratahs (Super Rugby) players? Jevansen (talk) 02:23, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep This seems to be a split for players who played pre-professionalism for New South Wales, and then who played Super Rugby for the Waratahs. While the naming probably isn't perfect, I see the split as being suitable to differentiate between those who played the the New South Wales region, and those who played for the team. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:35, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Its still the same team @Rugbyfan22: because it seems the Waratah's name was adopted in the 1920's. Just because they turned pro, doesn't mean they stopped being the same side. Rugby was not invented in 1995, the lineage is the same and should be maintained. This is essentially a duplicate category. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 19:12, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Queen of Hearts (talk) 00:19, 21 May 2024 (UTC)- Merge and listify, I imagine readers would be interested in the players of the pre-1995 era so that seems the easiest way (maybe with a minimum appearance threshold if stats are adequately held to facilitate that?); for the Category, does seem to be a continuous entity so only one cat needed. Crowsus (talk) 13:53, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Analysts of Ayodhya dispute[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Analysts of Ayodhya dispute to Category:Scholars of the Ayodhya dispute
- Nominator's rationale: Alternative name sounds more consistent with other categories in Scholars and academics by subject Mason (talk) 04:01, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete in the spirit of WP:PERFCAT, this is just one of many topics that the subjects in this category were involved. No objection to listification. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:56, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: rename or delete?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Queen of Hearts (talk) 00:18, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
Category:Centro de Estudios Puertorriqueños faculty[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. This is an institute Centro de Estudios Puertorriqueños within Hunter college. This category is too small to be helpful with navigation right now. Mason (talk) 02:55, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, the upper-level category of City University of New York faculty is for a system of colleges and institutes, and the articles in it should be diffused into the appropriate subcats for each of the different colleges within the system in the same way as categories are done for other university systems. Ideally, all of the articles in the CUNY faculty cat would be diffused into subcats of the different colleges or institutes. Additionally, from what I understand, the centro is housed at Hunter College, but is a separate institute within the CUNY system. Semper Fi FieldMarine (talk) 03:36, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. No objection to diffusion as such, as long as it colleges are big enough to contain lots of articles, but that does not seem to be the case here. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:02, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Queen of Hearts (talk) 00:17, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
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